Mac-10 vs M16 HRG

[Nighty]

Which of them is the better pick now for Firebug? I honestly save up for a few dosh more and go for the M16 instead now.

[NouH]

Mac 10 was never worth it for the Firebug but from what i've seen the m16 HRG is pretty good.

[screeno42]

I admittedly haven't gotten around to testing it yet, but at least on paper the HRG16 is basically a mac10 with molotovs on altfire. I imagine the mac10 is lighter, but this kinda further cements it as little more than a space filler, which I shouldn't have to point out is really bad when the spitfires weigh the same and are still an effective weapon. Maybe it's time for those two weapons to swap tiers?

[Nighty]

Originally posted by screeno42:

I admittedly haven't gotten around to testing it yet, but at least on paper the HRG16 is basically a mac10 with molotovs on altfire. I imagine the mac10 is lighter, but this kinda further cements it as little more than a space filler, which I shouldn't have to point out is really bad when the spitfires weigh the same and are still an effective weapon. Maybe it's time for those two weapons to swap tiers?

The M16 HRG only costs 100 more, you can even pair it up with the Helios if you wanted and have also still a total of 10 nades, which are good for crowd control. It kind of makes the Mac 10 obsolete tbh.

[CursedPanther]

The Mac10 mag size is the main drawback for Firebugs to be an effective weapon on Sui/HoE, but SWAT already has a far better arsenal so it won't really need one either.

It's never been good or useful since its introduction. People asked for it only becuz it was part of KF1.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

The Mac10 mag size is the main drawback for Firebugs to be an effective weapon on Sui/HoE, but SWAT already has a far better arsenal so it won't really need one either.

It's never been good or useful since its introduction. People asked for it only becuz it was part of KF1.

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

[CursedPanther]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

Fair enough. Yet ever since the HRG automatic nailgun is introduced there are even fewer reasons to use the Mac10 cuz the P90 dominates the mag size anyway and it's all 1100 Dosh weapons. It's that toy you finally pull outta the cupboard when you got bored with everything else.

[klaverjas]

I think the Mac10 was really bad so I geuss every weapon will be better.

[grimm]

The only time the Mac was any good in KF2 was during the beta for the event that added it to the game, where it (somehow) mistakenly used the Shotgun damage type and spread residual flames during Zed Time.
Both those got changed and it's been a garbage weapon ever since. I think you could bring it down to Tier 1 as-is and it'd still be considered a garbage weapon by almost everyone. I personally think it's one of, if not the worst weapon in KF2 atm.
The thing that I think would save the Mac (as well as most of Firebug's weapons, and FB itself) would be making it so the DoT actually does enough damage to kill things that aren't tankier than a Gorefast. Seriously there were times where I'd light a Cyst on fire and expect him to die from the DoT, only to find out he's still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ walking afterward. And that's with both of the DoT-increasing skills selected.

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

Ok, to be fair to the Mac on FB, Pyromaniac and Rapid Assault are basically the exact same skill.

[Psycho Dad]

Needs headshots to be effective, but panics stuff. Mac10 is garbage by design.

[SawbladeSnake]

the m16 is better for the nade launcher alone.

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

The Mac10 mag size is the main drawback for Firebugs to be an effective weapon on Sui/HoE, but SWAT already has a far better arsenal so it won't really need one either.

It's never been good or useful since its introduction. People asked for it only becuz it was part of KF1.

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

firebug has the infinite ammo zedtime too.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by KoriXilixion:

The only time the Mac was any good in KF2 was during the beta for the event that added it to the game, where it (somehow) mistakenly used the Shotgun damage type and spread residual flames during Zed Time.
Both those got changed and it's been a garbage weapon ever since. I think you could bring it down to Tier 1 as-is and it'd still be considered a garbage weapon by almost everyone. I personally think it's one of, if not the worst weapon in KF2 atm.
The thing that I think would save the Mac (as well as most of Firebug's weapons, and FB itself) would be making it so the DoT actually does enough damage to kill things that aren't tankier than a Gorefast. Seriously there were times where I'd light a Cyst on fire and expect him to die from the DoT, only to find out he's still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ walking afterward. And that's with both of the DoT-increasing skills selected.

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

Ok, to be fair to the Mac on FB, Pyromaniac and Rapid Assault are basically the exact same skill.

except for one thing though, you fire really slowly with the "Pyromaniac" skill, while "Rapid Assault" is closer to the Commando's "Machine Gunner" skill, where you shoot in near-real time.

Originally posted by !!!VEKTRA!!!:

the m16 is better for the nade launcher alone.

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

firebug has the infinite ammo zedtime too.

except the firing is much slower though

[Eze]

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

for me, SWAT makes better usage of the Mac-10 than Firebugs, and that's due to the infinite ammo and shooting in near-real time whenever Zed Time kicked in

Fair enough. Yet ever since the HRG automatic nailgun is introduced there are even fewer reasons to use the Mac10 cuz the P90 dominates the mag size anyway and it's all 1100 Dosh weapons. It's that toy you finally pull outta the cupboard when you got bored with everything else.

Agree with all. They should cut the price of Mac 10 to tier 2 to make it interesting.

[Nighty]

Originally posted by Eze:

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

Fair enough. Yet ever since the HRG automatic nailgun is introduced there are even fewer reasons to use the Mac10 cuz the P90 dominates the mag size anyway and it's all 1100 Dosh weapons. It's that toy you finally pull outta the cupboard when you got bored with everything else.

Agree with all. They should cut the price of Mac 10 to tier 2 to make it interesting.

Or they could make the HRG M16 a T4 instead but either solution works.

[Mochan]

The MAC10 has always been a trash weapon, I don't even need to use the M16 HRG to know it's the better weapon.

[Dr.Xance]

MAC 10 should be a tier 2 weapon with the trenchshotgun