Any reason to use the boomstick and doomstick?

[Digusting Abomination]

After the merciless nerfs it feels like the HZ, M4 and AA12 are much more reliable.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

they're plenty useful in solo and from my experience can still down a fp pretty quickly along with guranteed stumble.

The boomstick yeah keep it for the pushback, try lvling it up max for max damage. The doomstick is the spammable version of the boomstick but for big zeds and bosses while the boomstick is better left for medium zeds and below, EDARs included.

But yeah i agree the Doomstick on multiplayer ignore it and get the M4 instead with the Boomstick combo. Both max'd out do insane damage and the DBS is a must if you wanna avoid getting hit from boss zeds.

The other noticeable upside from the doomstick is that it has a little more penetration power, so you can get 4 shots but with alt-fire you can shoot through many zeds with a good sized chunk of power.


The doomstick could use a buff like it's fine the damage but inc the ammo pool a bit
OR
keep the ammo pool inc damage a bit to make every, what i assume is, iron slug count

For the boomstick just give it a little bit more ammo or maybe make it so both weapons get more ammo from ammo boxes, making exploring more useful or at the very least make full use of the ammo boxes (i mean support already can give an entire mags worth of ammo in a 6p match, may as well make it so that support can wet his beak and get more ammo due to scavenging or some ♥♥♥♥ idk)

[DrunkBunny94]

You can still sorta use it like before with a couple of upgrades but it's really bad now. Like really bad.

Pellet reduction reduced the damage by 16.67% AND the stumble power also by 16.67% which means is really inconsistent with FP stumbles as if you miss more than 1 pellet you don't stumble. Which was what made the dbs so iconic and strong...

The reload is longer and can't be cancelled.

It's also more expensive so you are better off taking the HZ12.

Also the upgrades only give 5% of the new lower damage with each level which means at T5 it still does less damage than before.

You can go T2 HZ12, T4 boomstick and T4 M4 which is fun and feels like your actually playing a shotgun class.

But yeah honestly the M4 and AA12 with upgrades are just straight better now which is kinda sad because it feels like I'm playing SS...

[HiTmAn]

with last nerf doomstick and boomstick will run out of ammo very oftten.. i really dont like what they did to lot wepons

[m550]

Boomstick are... "passiblely borderline okay". Doomstick, "Total doomed".

[Underdog]

Boomstick is still very popular in my loadouts. I use it on medic, and on support. You need one or the other on support to deal with large zeds. Personally, I prefer the aa12 + boomstick right now to any doomstick combination. Not so much because of ammo or anything, but I feel the aa12 still kills any large zed faster. Also, it may just be me, but my aiming with the doomstick is awful, and I can't figure it out. I'm kind of waiting for regular zeds to come out to practice on the scrakes

I wouldn't think so much on the pellet nerf, as you should think about the utility. Jump shots vs bosses and large zeds, and chain stunning scrakes, are still game saving.

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by HiTmAn:

with last nerf doomstick and boomstick will run out of ammo very oftten.. i really dont like what they did to lot wepons

I hate to say it man, but that's Karma for those who asked to have the weapons nerfed (when it's very clear from the start, that it's meant to be extremely powerful)

[DrunkBunny94]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by HiTmAn:

with last nerf doomstick and boomstick will run out of ammo very oftten.. i really dont like what they did to lot wepons

I hate to say it man, but that's Karma for those who asked to have the weapons nerfed (when it's very clear from the start, that it's meant to be extremely powerful)

No one was asking the Boomstick to be nerfed. No one asked for the SPX or M14 to be nerfed. Nobody wanted the katana nerfs or the med pistol nerf or the zwie nerf.

The only things people wanted nerfed was the railgun because having guns that 1 shot scrakes and FP is boring and unhealthy for balance. They nerfed the railgun but then added thee M99 and doomstick lul.
People also wanted the husk cannon nerfed because it was getting obnoxious. That said no one wanted the damage gutted - they wanted the ammo pool reduced and the mag size reduced.
And the evisc was far too noob friendly and could have used toning down but again they went too far.

[Blue]

The ammo nerf on the doomstick was too much. It only has like 44 base ammo, so it can't be used as a main weapon or you'll run out of ammo very quickly. In addition to that, each individual shot is weak. The m4 is a beast, and completely outclasses the doomstick. The doomstick is still good as a side weapon once your m4 is max upgraded though.

The boomstick nerfs were pretty heavy too. I wouldn't use it except for the jump shots to avoid hits. Really not worth upgrading. Like, you have to max upgrade (3550 dosh total) just to get similar damage to before it was nerfed. It barely gets anything from upgrading too, just 5% damage each upgrade, which is worse than every weapon except the zwei and pulverizer which also only get 5%.

[Blue]

Originally posted by DrunkBunny94:

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

I hate to say it man, but that's Karma for those who asked to have the weapons nerfed (when it's very clear from the start, that it's meant to be extremely powerful)

No one was asking the Boomstick to be nerfed. No one asked for the SPX or M14 to be nerfed. Nobody wanted the katana nerfs or the med pistol nerf or the zwie nerf.

The only things people wanted nerfed was the railgun because having guns that 1 shot scrakes and FP is boring and unhealthy for balance. They nerfed the railgun but then added thee M99 and doomstick lul.
People also wanted the husk cannon nerfed because it was getting obnoxious. That said no one wanted the damage gutted - they wanted the ammo pool reduced and the mag size reduced.
And the evisc was far too noob friendly and could have used toning down but again they went too far.

One of the reasons the railgun was nerfed was because you could fire it without using the scope very quickly to solo 6P HoE bosses in like half a minute. They nerfed the damage and increased the ammo, so now it fills the role of a sort of faster semi-auto sniper, while the M99 with its higher recoil and firing delay is filling the 1 shot 1 kill role completely.

The railgun now, is basically an upgraded crossbow (with less stun power).

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by DrunkBunny94:

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

I hate to say it man, but that's Karma for those who asked to have the weapons nerfed (when it's very clear from the start, that it's meant to be extremely powerful)

No one was asking the Boomstick to be nerfed. No one asked for the SPX or M14 to be nerfed. Nobody wanted the katana nerfs or the med pistol nerf or the zwie nerf.

The only things people wanted nerfed was the railgun because having guns that 1 shot scrakes and FP is boring and unhealthy for balance. They nerfed the railgun but then added thee M99 and doomstick lul.
People also wanted the husk cannon nerfed because it was getting obnoxious. That said no one wanted the damage gutted - they wanted the ammo pool reduced and the mag size reduced.
And the evisc was far too noob friendly and could have used toning down but again they went too far.

but didn't people also asked for the Eviscerator (the Berserker's weapon-of-choice) to be nerfed as well?

I only ask this question, is because since I do a Katana/Eviscerator setup for my Berserker character, it would be kinda cool to take its already powerful status and use the Upgrade System to make it even more stronger for the harder difficulty status (especially since I try to chain a series of Parry attacks to temporarily buff the damage output as long as the effect holds up)

[DrunkBunny94]

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

Originally posted by DrunkBunny94:

No one was asking the Boomstick to be nerfed. No one asked for the SPX or M14 to be nerfed. Nobody wanted the katana nerfs or the med pistol nerf or the zwie nerf.

The only things people wanted nerfed was the railgun because having guns that 1 shot scrakes and FP is boring and unhealthy for balance. They nerfed the railgun but then added thee M99 and doomstick lul.
People also wanted the husk cannon nerfed because it was getting obnoxious. That said no one wanted the damage gutted - they wanted the ammo pool reduced and the mag size reduced.
And the evisc was far too noob friendly and could have used toning down but again they went too far.

but didn't people also asked for the Eviscerator (the Berserker's weapon-of-choice) to be nerfed as well?

I only ask this question, is because since I do a Katana/Eviscerator setup for my Berserker character, it would be kinda cool to take its already powerful status and use the Upgrade System to make it even more stronger for the harder difficulty status (especially since I try to chain a series of Parry attacks to temporarily buff the damage output as long as the effect holds up)

I did say at the bottom people wanted the evisc to be toned down because it was so noob friendly.

The zerker has massive mobility and damage reduction yet it has an insanely strong RANGED weapon that also had a melee alt fire and had the strongest block in the game combine that with the playstyle it had of keeping the zerker out if melee range is what made it "strong". It wasn't good in terms of DPS it just encouraged zerker to play so passively and not to play as the frontline.

If you want to get better at zerker though I recommend watching this as there's more detail here than I would like to put into words.

https://youtu.be/zxfVsw6DSHg

There's a whole series for the zerker on each weapon skill zed takedown etc

[Mister Torgue Flexington]

Originally posted by DrunkBunny94:

Originally posted by Mister Torgue Flexington:

but didn't people also asked for the Eviscerator (the Berserker's weapon-of-choice) to be nerfed as well?

I only ask this question, is because since I do a Katana/Eviscerator setup for my Berserker character, it would be kinda cool to take its already powerful status and use the Upgrade System to make it even more stronger for the harder difficulty status (especially since I try to chain a series of Parry attacks to temporarily buff the damage output as long as the effect holds up)

I did say at the bottom people wanted the evisc to be toned down because it was so noob friendly.

The zerker has massive mobility and damage reduction yet it has an insanely strong RANGED weapon that also had a melee alt fire and had the strongest block in the game combine that with the playstyle it had of keeping the zerker out if melee range is what made it "strong". It wasn't good in terms of DPS it just encouraged zerker to play so passively and not to play as the frontline.

If you want to get better at zerker though I recommend watching this as there's more detail here than I would like to put into words.

https://youtu.be/zxfVsw6DSHg

There's a whole series for the zerker on each weapon skill zed takedown etc

I remember using the Zweilhander a few times (once or twice for a Daily Dosh challenge), pretty good weapon.

while the Nailgun is a fairly decent weapon, the only thing I don't like about it (other than the limited ammo pool), is that it somehow cancels out movement speed bonus from the "Skirmisher" perk, as several people have reported that they lose the movement bonus when it's equipped in their hands.

[B Dawg]

Use one of them on Boss Wave for jumpshotting away from Hans/KFP.

[Judge Scrubb]

The Doomstick? nah it's a terrible weapon.

[JimmyIowa]

m4+HZT.

Doomstick has too little ammo for how much room it occupies in inventory, does LESS dmg per shell than m4, has bad spread (unlike m4) so you have to facetank something to hit with all pellets.

M4 can fire as fast as you can pull the trigger so 4 (or 8) shells is easy to do, for more dmg than doomstick, at greater range, and you have room for another weapon.