what niche does the ump 45 fill?

[Gasp]

anti large zed?

[Jet]

I would say an alternative weapon to use besides the P90. Since prior to Twisted Christmas 2017, a SWAT player’s loadout(end game) would be
-Kriss SMG
-P90
-MP5

There is a difference between the P90 and UMP but, I can’t get exactly into detail about the exact numerical value of the damamge those weapons does because I can’t find that spreadsheet for some reason.

[Aya]

It's essentially the equivalent of giving the SWAT a Commando weapon.

[spearten.com]

Here's the Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GDpg2mN1l_86U_RaDug0glFx8cZCuErwxZLiBKl9SyY/edit#gid=1502265493

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Basically, it has higher damage per shot, slower fire rate, and offers burst fire instead of single shot, which is useful depending on trying to conserve ammo and increase your fire rate. P90 is more suitable for Hordes as it boasts a high mag size and both weapons have close to the same recoil, with the P90 having slightly more in some scenarios.

For large zeds, I would give that to the Kriss though. The fire rate on that makes it possible to reliably kill scrakes with a mag dump after 1 flash grenade. UMP might be harder to do that with.

[Gasp]

what is SWAT's best plan of action against a FP solo?

[Jet]

Originally posted by American Shorthair:

what is SWAT's best plan of action against
a FP solo?

Throw a flash bang to stun the FP

Aim for its head using the Kriss SMG

[datCookie]

Originally posted by D.J. Jetth1576:

Originally posted by American Shorthair:

what is SWAT's best plan of action against
a FP solo?

Throw a flash bang to stun the FP

Aim for its head using the Kriss SMG

Make sure you do this before he rages. Flash bangs will not stun a raged FP

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

it's the p90 but more damage and less clip size.
it's a good alternative to the p90 and with the upgrade system you can go with either or
the biggest plus is probably the sights are nice.

i tend to run p90 and ump rather than kriss due to dosh conservation. The only big downside is you lose a big zed weapon but you can still do without the kriss.

[Warlord]

UMP is for players that can't compensate for Kriss recoil.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by Warlord:

UMP is for players that can't compensate for Kriss recoil.

what recoil? if anything the ump has a slightly more kick to it, then again i mostly run single shot

[screeno42]

I mostly use it as a sidegrade to the kriss. It deals more a bit more damage and weighs a block less, but has a slightly lower firerate and slightly smaller magazine size.

[Littlefoot]

The only thing i found the UMP particularily better at than the P90 would be killing Gorefasts with one headshot, and taking slightly less shots to eliminate medium zeds. For trash, it’s rather overkill.

Plus the burst fire option on it is completly useless, it does not increase the rate of fire of it at all and only makes you waste ammo. If it was like it is on the Commando’s AK-12, it’d be worth using occasionally.

[Foster Doshwalker]

There's no reason to use kriss over an upgraded p90 or UMP.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by SsWatT*:

There's no reason to use kriss over an upgraded p90 or UMP.

that's where you're wrong kiddo

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

a 100 bullet mag is much better than a 77 was it?
sure more damage and higher rate of fire, but it's not really as good against a hoarde of trash and medium zeds
plus enough stopping power to decap a scrake on HoE

[Foster Doshwalker]

Originally posted by TF2SP TAC CAT (tac. as. chen):

a 100 bullet mag is much better than a 77 was it?
sure more damage and higher rate of fire, but it's not really as good against a hoarde of trash and medium zeds
plus enough stopping power to decap a scrake on HoE

I can't understand anything from this comment.