Ban the map "super perk training delux"

[Ųŋĸńōŵņ]

Can you developers ban this kind of maps please? people should play the game as it is meant to be played and not power level them selfs to rank 25...

to many times I get into HoE games with rank 25 players who dont know ♥♥♥♥, or cant hit ♥♥♥♥... if an elephant was standing 2 meters in front of them they still would miss it.

Dont need retarded noobs like that who Powerlevel themselfs and go join HoE games to mess up my play time cause they lack skills cause they dont know their class and -or have literally no experience with it.

Or at least give people the option to down vote maps like this, so you can UN-RANK the maps or something.

[Novi]

Rebomonkey の投稿を引用：

Banning a map? That is a dangerous policy to start. I don't support the banning of any map.

A filter is definitely a no-brainer though.

Apparently, to some, that is the same as banning a map.

Also, for some reason, this is ok: (nonempty HoE games...)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=819147005

[Rebomonkey]

Novi の投稿を引用：

Rebomonkey の投稿を引用：

Banning a map? That is a dangerous policy to start. I don't support the banning of any map.

A filter is definitely a no-brainer though.

Apparently, to some, that is the same as banning a map.

Also, for some reason, this is ok: (nonempty HoE games...)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=819147005

I don't mean to be rude, but isn't a filter literally personally banning maps? You don't have to tell me twice. People should play what they have fun with, if so many people happen to have fun with this map, then so be it. You have a server browser, find a different server or create one. Win / Win

[SubZer0]

the game is good - no doubt. but i got kids and a job and i dont want to play forever just to level up. the game aint THAT good. in about 25 years of gaming by now i found that BARELY 2-3 games are worth that time effort. no offense.
im not 15 anymore, this is numbing my brain after about an hour xD

[Rebomonkey]

SubZer0 の投稿を引用：

the game is good - no doubt. but i got kids and a job and i dont want to play forever just to level up. the game aint THAT good. in about 25 years of gaming by now i found that BARELY 2-3 games are worth that time effort. no offense.
im not 15 anymore, this is numbing my brain after about an hour xD

Stating that you have been playing games for 25 years (really a truly amazing achievement, may you be playing for another 25) you really lose your respect you have gained instantly from using your very sound opinion by saying that only 15 year olds would have fun with this game. I'm not fanboy-ing you or anything, just seems like you wasted your argument is all. You also basically said "The game is good, but this game is not worth my time" which also kind of bogs down your argument without any supporting evidence.

Can you tell I'm looking too deep into this comment yet?

[BardzBeast]

it really doesnt take long to level up. you can get to level 5 in 2-3 games of hard. level 10 takes about 4 hours. 15 about 7 hours. 20 about 12 hours. 25 about 20 hours. Assuming you play sui after level 15. Along with that you learn about the game an you learn about the perk, which is far more valuable than standing still for hours mindlessly clicking and completely wasting your time. If people want to perk level for chieves then fine.

[Silverbird]

Rebomonkey の投稿を引用：

Novi の投稿を引用：

Apparently, to some, that is the same as banning a map.

Also, for some reason, this is ok: (nonempty HoE games...)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=819147005

I don't mean to be rude, but isn't a filter literally personally banning maps? You don't have to tell me twice. People should play what they have fun with, if so many people happen to have fun with this map, then so be it. You have a server browser, find a different server or create one. Win / Win

filtering maps isn't the same as banning maps, because anyone that wants to play them can still play them
filtering maps is getting rid of more than have your screen having garbage that you don't want to play, and wont EVER want to play
Personally, i would also want to filter out asanine servers with "only level 15+!" in their name, since they contribute to the false narritive that having a high leveled perk actually determines skill while so many perk farmers are out there...

[|H|H| Fr3ddi3]

Someone wants to fast track to level 25 and kill of half the enjoyment in this game that comes with ranking up then that's fine by me, all I ask is that the server filter had the option to hide custom maps.

Someone who truely isnt a team player will get kicked anyway.

[miji]

|H|H| Fr3ddi3 - Remember no Mako の投稿を引用：

Someone wants to fast track to level 25 and kill of half the enjoyment in this game that comes with ranking up then that's fine by me, all I ask is that the server filter had the option to hide custom maps.

In a multiplayer game like this where majority of players are pairing with strangers, breeding a healthy community is an important responsibility of the the developers and/or publishers. Allowing people such convenient access to nearly bypass the level system that people work hard in to climb greatly decreases the investment those people have in the game, thus breeding inexperience and careless players being much more frequently paired with skilled and very invested players.
I think it's best for there to be an official map whitelist for leveling. People who don't enjoy the grinding can find a game more suiting of their tastes. People who don't have the time to grind can find something more suiting of their schedule.
I'm aware TWI are in a business and need to pull in and keep as many customers to be successful, but as a multiplayer game I believe this is worse for them in the long run.

TL;DR: Whitelist or die.

[Mumalot]

They should just do what they did in KF... Whitelist maps (maps that allow you to gain xp) & Blacklist maps (maps that disallow you from gaining xp).

Or even make a "graylist"... maps where you gain xp, but only 25% what you would normally.

A newly created map would start off on the Graylist; then after a few days, it'll get de/pro-moted to black or white.

Being a long time gamer (I'm 31 yrs old & I've known videogames since I was 2), I fully understand the difference between Personal-experience (Pxp) & Character-experience (Cxp).

Pxp = Playing the game and learning the ins and outs... aka intelligence. How do monsters react, how guns feel/recoil/spread. Does crouch/aim'ing decrease the spread? LEARNING THE ROLE OF YOUR PERK IN A GROUP SETTING. What's a good place to camp~ & how do I know when to runaway/kite.

Cxp = What level you are. (0 - 25)

Typically on regular maps, pxp&cxp tend to increase at the same time; but these Level-maps destroy that learning experience & now the community is flooded with "highlevel noobs".

It is kinda understandable if you level 1 or 2 perks to max and THEN use levelmaps to boost up your other perks... but please, try to at least play a few Hard matches with that perk before you step into the big leagues. Or at least read a guide on the class... like knowing that demos can headshot, was a surprise to me.

[Turbs]

Seems more like the problem are the players and not the perk maps IMO.

I enjoy playing on official maps, but exploring and finding great community maps are what I enjoy most in this game. Would be a shame for it all to be messed up because of a rotten apple in a good bunch.

Perhaps having to require a player to demonstrate their personal experience in game mechanics by completing prior difficulty levels before moving on to something like HoE would be a good compromise? I'd expect a normal person to move up the difficulty ladder by each rung to the top over time so it shouldn't be much of an annoyance IMO as long as it'll stop these said people from just jumping straight into HoE.

In the end, it's just up to the person if they're willing to take the steps necessary to learn what's needed to survive in such a difficulty. A person grinding to 25 through regular grinding in official maps and jumping straight into HoE can be equally as hindering if they refused to learn along the way. Sometimes, regular gameplay doesn't teach a person certain things unless they actually payed attention or sought out more.

[Leenker]

The problem is almost about players, not about map.. And no one are friendly enough to tell those poor-skills players how to do everything properly.

I started to play KF2 in October last year and it's definitely non-steam version until this year i've purchased KF2 and i realized that leveling is taking long time so i must use Super Perk Training Map to reduce my leveling time. So i reached max level for all perks when i had only 60 hours playing. And i'm the guy who understand how every perk work and deal with zeds so it isn't big problem for me when all perks is max so soon.

[Machete]

Piracy and "cheating" thats a hell of combo :)

[FeelZeSchadenfreude]

Honestly, just make a server side mod for HoE server that checks hours played and autokicks people with less than, say, 100 hours in the game. The complaints about the perk training maps ultimately boil down to Suicidal and HoE teams getting random level 25s that have no idea what they're doing. Hours in the game are a better indication than perk level of player experience. Give people an option to eject players base on that, and then a lot of the complaints would die down.

[Rebomonkey]

Silverbird の投稿を引用：

Rebomonkey の投稿を引用：

I don't mean to be rude, but isn't a filter literally personally banning maps? You don't have to tell me twice. People should play what they have fun with, if so many people happen to have fun with this map, then so be it. You have a server browser, find a different server or create one. Win / Win

filtering maps isn't the same as banning maps, because anyone that wants to play them can still play them
filtering maps is getting rid of more than have your screen having garbage that you don't want to play, and wont EVER want to play
Personally, i would also want to filter out asanine servers with "only level 15+!" in their name, since they contribute to the false narritive that having a high leveled perk actually determines skill while so many perk farmers are out there...

I never said it was the same as banning maps. I did say it was personally banning maps. Me saying 'personally' is a huge difference than me leaving that out, don't worry, that's why I put it there. I agree that we need a filter pretty desperately, but I don't agree with outright banning maps.

[Sikobae]

ϟкoll の投稿を引用：

Why do you care if someone else power levels? It's a COOPERATIVE game.

Because terrible players as a 25 on higher difficulties = game over