UnderLeveled people playing on harder difficulties.

[BambooSkizzle]

I might get flagged for this because why not?

But i am severely tired of low level players playing on harder difficulties and making it difficult to beat a single level.

I've had level 2 to 4 players joining hard and suicidal difficulty and do diddly squat damage to enemies, And the worst thing is that they don't even use the proper weapons for the classes that they are playing as!

If you are one of the newbie players reading this, pay attention to the following:

1: if you are level 1-6, Stay on NORMAL until you leveled enough to play on hard. Repeat for SUlCIDAL and HELL ON EARTH.

2: Unless you are playing as a SURVIVOR class, Stick with the class based weapons that you are playing as, If you are playing as a commando you do more damage with assault rifles and get discounts on them as well. so if you waste money on a weapon that isn't for your class and it does little to no damage, that's your fault!

3: Playing on harder difficulties will not make you level up faster, it will make you die faster and make you a burden to your own team.

4: The lower your class level the lower the damage you will make to the zeds on higher difficulties, the difficulty is measured in the player level and how many people are on the server. If there is a level 20 charactor and the rest of the team is level 1-6, NOBODY IS GOING TO SURVIVE TO FINISH THE ROUND!

5: Nobody is going to carry your sorry♥♥♥♥♥ KF2 is designed for everyone to pull together to win the match, so don't start crying when you die from in every single match because the scrake, siren or fleshpound demolished you in one blow. that's your fault!

And lastly don't call us veteran players noobs and ragequit just because you thought playing a level 0 berserker against a suicidal level fleshpound was a good idea.

You can get gud in this game, you just need time and alot of patience. Just don't make everyone lose theirs because you think the high level players can carry you.

[HiTmAn]

they will learn.. and its better for them they paying on harder mods.. and they will level up faster..

[Rocknack]

Write a guide I guess.

[Apathy]

The Weekly events are bad for this too. They're leveled for people at 15 or higher but it's rare to find a game that's not infested with useless low level players.

[BambooSkizzle]

Originally posted by Rocknack:

Write a guide I guess.

I just might.

[Littlefoot]

Originally posted by EmperorJoker:

2: Unless you are playing as a SURVIVOR class, Stick with the class based weapons that you are playing as, If you are playing as a commando you do more damage with assault rifles and get discounts on them as well. so if you waste money on a weapon that isn't for your class and it does little to no damage, that's your fault!

Just wanna correct you here, Killing Floor 2 doesn't give you discounts on perk weapons as you level up. KF1 did that, but not the sequel.

[BambooSkizzle]

Originally posted by Littlefoot:

Originally posted by EmperorJoker:

2: Unless you are playing as a SURVIVOR class, Stick with the class based weapons that you are playing as, If you are playing as a commando you do more damage with assault rifles and get discounts on them as well. so if you waste money on a weapon that isn't for your class and it does little to no damage, that's your fault!

Just wanna correct you here, Killing Floor 2 doesn't give you discounts on perk weapons as you level up. KF1 did that, but not the sequel.

Well ♥♥♥♥, thanks for the correction.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Also, forcing ppl to play on normal is kinda harsh.

[Ivara Ara]

Originally posted by Morton Koopa Jr.:

Also, forcing ppl to play on normal is kinda harsh.

And higher level people having to carry lower level people on sucidal and HoE is not?

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Originally posted by Ruben T:

Originally posted by Morton Koopa Jr.:

Also, forcing ppl to play on normal is kinda harsh.

And higher level people having to carry lower level people on sucidal and HoE is not?

When did I suggest that?
There is a difficulty between Normal and Suicidal.

[Apathy]

Originally posted by Morton Koopa Jr.:

Originally posted by Ruben T:

And higher level people having to carry lower level people on sucidal and HoE is not?

When did I suggest that?
There is a difficulty between Normal and Suicidal.

People on Hard don't want to play with underleveled scrubs either Morton. No one does. If you're not at least level 15 you are absolutely worthless to your team on Hard.

[BambooSkizzle]

Originally posted by Morton Koopa Jr.:

Originally posted by Ruben T:

And higher level people having to carry lower level people on sucidal and HoE is not?

When did I suggest that?
There is a difficulty between Normal and Suicidal.

Even on Hard difficulty it's near impossible to complete an entire match, Maybe if it's one newcomer and 5 veterans than yeah it may be possible.

But if there are more newcomers than there are veterans, than the match is over before it begins.

I'm not forcing anyone to play on just normal, When you first play the game you have to start at the bottom and slowly work your way up and get better perks, weapons and teamwork.

That's the whole point of the game! You don't just start on whatever difficulty you wan't and not expect to be bulldozed immediately.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Originally posted by Apathy:

Originally posted by Morton Koopa Jr.:

When did I suggest that?
There is a difficulty between Normal and Suicidal.

People on Hard don't want to play with underleveled scrubs either Morton. No one does. If you're not at least level 15 you are absolutely worthless to your team on Hard.

If you think you need to be level 15 to play on Hard, then you're a scrub lol.
Wait, unless you're being sarcastic.

Please tell me you are being sarcastic.

Originally posted by EmperorJoker:

Originally posted by Morton Koopa Jr.:

When did I suggest that?
There is a difficulty between Normal and Suicidal.

Even on Hard difficulty it's near impossible to complete an entire match, Maybe if it's one newcomer and 5 veterans than yeah it may be possible.

But if there are more newcomers than there are veterans, than the match is over before it begins.

I'm not forcing anyone to play on just normal, When you first play the game you have to start at the bottom and slowly work your way up and get better perks, weapons and teamwork.

That's the whole point of the game! You don't just start on whatever difficulty you wan't and not expect to be bulldozed immediately.

Normal is ridiculously easy. And hard is definitely not "hard". It's why many players encourage newcomers to immediately move up to hard as soon as they're familiar with the game. You don't need to be a veteran to beat hard. You just need to know how to aim in the same direction as someone else.

If people want to get better at the game, I honestly believe they should begin with Hard because they will learn nothing on Normal difficulty. If you have any experience with fps, you shouldn't even die before the Boss wave.

[Apathy]

No Morton I'm not being sarcastic. The levels have a level rating for a reason. If you don't know your class then you're going to be worthless. If you're under leveled you're also going to be worthless. The weekly events are on Hard Morton. Why do you think they say Perk Level 15+ on them?

Normal - 0 - doesn't matter
Hard - 15-20
Sucidal - 20-25
HoE - 25

This is for players learning their perks aka every low level or underleveled perk player. You think a level 5-10 anything is going to know how to do their job on Hard or harder? You think a level 3 is going to pull their weight on anything above Normal? These people aren't there to contribute anyway. They're there under the delusion that they can earn more XP than difficulties they have a reasonable chance of surviving.

I mean you do know that the higher in difficulty you go the Zed's damage and health not only increases but so does their move pool etc. I said what I did not because of the levels, although that is important, but about gameplay knowledge. Underleveled players do not know how to play their characters and if by some miracle they do, they almost always lack matchup specific knowlege about what to do on what levels.

Tell you what Morton, I have no idea how to play SWAT but I've always wanted to try. How about you and me group up for HoE with my level 0 SWAT? I'm knowledgable about the classes I play so that should be fine even though they're nothing like SWAT right? Thanks for volunteering to help me level it and be patient while we play a 10 wave HoE match. I'll look forward to that friend request bro.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Originally posted by Apathy:

No Morton I'm not being sarcastic. The levels have a level rating for a reason. If you don't know your class then you're going to be worthless. If you're under leveled you're also going to be worthless. The weekly events are on Hard Morton. Why do you think they say Perk Level 15+ on them?

Normal - 0 - doesn't matter
Hard - 15-20
Sucidal - 20-25
HoE - 25

I don't really care what those guides say lol. On a practical level, it's generally agreed up on that:

Normal - 0-5
Hard - 0-15
Suicidal - 15 - 25
HOE - 20 - 25

And even that varies widely based on skill and specific perk due to key abilities and damage breakpints.

This is for players learning their perks aka every low level or underleveled perk player. You think a level 5-10 anything is going to know how to do their job on Hard or harder? You think a level 3 is going to pull their weight on anything above Normal? These people aren't there to contribute anyway. They're there under the delusion that they can earn more XP than difficulties they have a reasonable chance of surviving.

You don't need to know how to do your job on Hard. That's my point. Hard is basically a normal difficulty. Playing on Normal definitely won't teach you how to do your job because, if you have basic FPS ability, you can't die there until the boss.

I mean you do know that the higher in difficulty you go the Zed's damage and health not only increases but so does their move pool etc. I said what I did not because of the levels, although that is important, but about gameplay knowledge. Underleveled players do not know how to play their characters and if by some miracle they do, they almost always lack matchup specific knowlege about what to do on what levels.

Again, they won't learn anything on Normal. Things die so easily, and you can pretty much do whatever you want without any sort of penalty.

Tell you what Morton, I have no idea how to play SWAT but I've always wanted to try. How about you and me group up for HoE with my level 0 SWAT? I'm knowledgable about the classes I play so that should be fine even though they're nothing like SWAT right?

Nice strawman. Again, I've been talking about Hard difficulty, not HOE. If you have any experience with FPS, I think you should group up with me on Hard more with your level 0 SWAT. Because whatever habits you learn on Normal are just gonna hurt you in the long run.

[manpotionTTV]

The Good: Yay, more Zeds to kill!

The Bad: Oh no, fleshpounds and scrakes have more health now =(