Quake II

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Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:41pm
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Does anyone else have problems with this remaster?
I didn't like this remaster. Q1 was just the same game with some lightning updates. As a guy who played Q2 for like 50+ times, I have a lot of complains for this one:

- New parts of the levels sometimes feel off, and they ruin some speedrun techniques, like jumping through the last bridge on unit 1.
- Some scripts doesn't work, like the one when you can drop two crates on berserkers, now you can't, because they will see/hear you on evelator.
- Balance changes. Three shots of railgun to kill any middle-tier enemy? Why? There always been two. The best weapon in the series now feels useless most of the time.
- UI problems. Main menu looks awful, you can't change hud size, you can't turn off "hit-direction" lines and etc.
- Tons of new enemies on levels. Sometimes it feels completley off, when you see 4 gunners and 4 berserkers, when in original it was just 2 and 1.
- Next from previous, there is a big lack of ammo on higher difficulties, because there is so much enemies. I know every secret on every level, and still it was really sloppy to play on low ammo.
- Berserker charge-jump is just a joke. It doesn't belong in a slow paced (for 90's shooter) game like Q2.
- Lightning in some scenes somehow looks worse than on OpenGL Q2. Game looks too bright with large chunks of black space in corners.

I really hope they'll fix some of this problems, mostly scripts, and that they will add and option to play like a vanilla Q2 experience.

Maybe I sound like a person who didn't like every aspect of the game, but no. New models, cinematics and some visual effects are great. N64 version and Machine Games expansion is a nice addition too.
Originally posted by DogMeat:
Sorry if it was already mentioned, but check out the "Unmaster Mod". It seems to offer toggles for most issues, including the Berserker jumping. Even offers a variant of the jump where they crouch before they jump, making it more obvious when they jump, and reducing splash.

Wish I'd known about it before playing. It was released only 5 days after the remaster was released. Any impression that offering toggles for most remaster features might be difficult was shattered by the speed of release and tiny file size.
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Jin- Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:46pm 
Thanks for the warning/info. I will keep my money since I already have the original version. The trailer I looked also looked like they tried to make it more like the red headed stepchild called Quake 3 Arena which was the worst in the series
TTv FUBAR83 Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:49pm 
nope, love a free upgrade to a game I already have on steam; and changes make it feel fresh

also the issues like scripting will probably be fixed over time

and the fact they have the originals still available makes it even better if I want to play them (same with how they did it with doom and quake)
Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:51pm 
Originally posted by Jin-:
Thanks for the warning/info. I will keep my money since I already have the original version. The trailer I looked also looked like they tried to make it more like the red headed stepchild called Quake 3 Arena which was the worst in the series
This is a nice, fun... version? Yes. But I don't think this is a good remaster. Sometimes it feels like a community mod, not a vanilla game with some QoL changes.
Last edited by Styg; Aug 10, 2023 @ 6:10pm
bobbie424242 Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:53pm 
If you just want a vanilla remaster, there are source ports for that.
Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:55pm 
Originally posted by TTv FUBAR83:
and the fact they have the originals still available makes it even better if I want to play them (same with how they did it with doom and quake)
Yeah, that's nice. But I would glad to play new verison, not all these source ports. New verison plays smooth like never before, I just want an option for authentic experience. But, they fixed some problems on Q1 remaster after release, so I'm kinda relaxed on this one. I just want people to talk about that, so the devs can hear this somehow.
SuperJedi Aug 10, 2023 @ 4:57pm 
It's a free update. What are you complaining about? What developer spends time on a 26 year old game? I'll tell you, a dedicated one.
Last edited by SuperJedi; Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:14pm
Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:00pm 
Originally posted by Isotoxin82:
It's a free update. What are you complaining about? What developer spends time on a 15 year old game? I'll tell you, a dedicated one.
Yes, and again, I ageed. But does it mean we shouldn't talk about problems which this free update has? If someome will go and buy this game now, because of remaster, they can get not what they are expected.
hol Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:07pm 
Originally posted by Jin-:
Thanks for the warning/info. I will keep my money since I already have the original version. The trailer I looked also looked like they tried to make it more like the red headed stepchild called Quake 3 Arena which was the worst in the series

What do you mean by keeping your money? It's a free update.
Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:09pm 
Originally posted by holanda:
What do you mean by keeping your money? It's a free update.
I think he means, that he has an original disc, but not the steam version.
Cellsiuss Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:14pm 
- Berserker charge-jump is just a joke. It doesn't belong in a slow paced (for 90's shooter) game like Q2.

The fiend from quake 1 says hello. This is actually a very nice change, because the berserker in the original was less dangerous than the basic blaster soldier.
Although I think it would be nice if all the changes could be turned on and off freely - from remastered music to enemies, just like in the accessibility options, so that everyone can adjust the amount of new stuff.

I agree 100% that the railgun has been nerfed beyond imagination and seems useless even on easy. I dont know why they messed with the weaponry, which is one of the best-balanced ones ever created in fps games.
Jamie Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:16pm 
i talked about the poor muddy textures compared to the RTX version and got flamed to death :BL3Shrug:..your dealing with S Tier cognitive dissonance fanboyism here. No critical thinking and no normal convos here just flame wars on steam forums. Its just as bad as Reddit. Just dont even bother talking on here only unless you are looking for people to play with. ...And just wait til you play the new expansion levels....you will get MOBBED by 10+ NPCs at once LMAO its funny def fun for Co-Op Campaign Nightmare thats for sure!
Last edited by Jamie; Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:20pm
Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:20pm 
Originally posted by Cellsiuss:
This is actually a very nice change, because the berserker in the original was less dangerous than the basic blaster soldier.
For the "restored vesrion" - yes. I really liked some baloney that happend during those fights. But this is not how original Q2 plays, and that's what remasters are about, bringing classic experince to modernd systems, with some graphic tweaks, not adding a ton of stuff from developers diaries here and there. If it was an "restoration update" I would be totaly okay with that.
DogMeat Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:22pm 
IMHO, the remaster makes up for any faults due to:
-It's optional. You can still launch the classic versions from the start menu.
-It has an official port of QII 64. This one has had shoddy emulation for years and not as much fun playing on a controller.
-They seem to have fixed many of the issues I had with the Ground Zero expansion pack. I always hated many of the design decisions with a lot of the gimicky weapons, but they seem to actually work properly now. Haven't gotten far though so don't know if the wall turrets are still an obnoxious issue.
ChaosBahamut Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:22pm 
Have noticed that sometimes the music volume will increase for a bit and then re-normalize itself.
Styg Aug 10, 2023 @ 5:22pm 
Originally posted by ✟The Gent✟:
i talked about the poor muddy textures compared to the RTX version and got flamed to death
Well, I prefer pixelated textures more, because RTX textures (which basically was created long before by modders) are ruining the Q2 artstyle.
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