Wouldn't the strogg have more enemies than humans?

[Unseen]

I just was thinking about it, in the game we see the strogg doing this to people, making them robots, androids. But wouldn't the strogg have more alien enemies than just humans? If they invaded earth they wouldn't of had the organic supplies to start making bio androids without human bodies. Unless the strogg were like people at one time, and just grow each other in vats for android processing. In startrek the borg already had many alien and terran like species they were assimilating. Not sure if what the strogg do can be called assimilation however looks more like organic rigging to me. In startrek many borg and ex borg claim being part of the collective made them feel good. I seriously doubt being a strogg feels good. I mean maybe I'm wrong but getting turned into a human grape then pulverized and having your organics fused to robots doesn't look like it'd feel good. So, wouldn't the strogg have tons of enemies?

If they ever make any new games I really would not be against the idea of maybe a spock like alien race, or maybe something more alien, being allies to humanity just cause they hate the strogg. To me it would make realistic sense, the strogg would had to of stood on other species toes. It doesn't make sense that they could just invade earth with nothing unless they had some kind of sentient species to farm. Course strogg probably wipe out and annihilate people, but... As bad as they do against one lone human soldier I doubt they win every galactic conquest but I don't know, maybe other people know more about what lore is in quake2 and could clue me in on why there's no other species besides humans and strogg.

[Delabane]

I don't think too much thought was ever put into the Quake series story line, well possibly more with Quake II then Quake. With Quake I think they made it up as they went along. I imagine the reality of it is the Strogg are a bit like the Borg (Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Voyager were still on air for another few years so probably played some influence with someone). Some of the Strogg look humanoid rather then Human.

[Insano-Man]

There are a couple of mentions of this subject in Quake 4, from the same marine - but, mind, both are theories.

One is that the Strogg are leftover supersoldiers from a major galactic war, the other that Earth was a strategic position that would have allowed the Strogg to launch attacks at other civilizations. Neither is touched on again in the game.

There are a few enemies in Quake 4 that look unambiguously alien, like hover tanks, the stroyent processing creature, and the Makron himself. That said, what they look like and how they kill you are the only things we can say for certain about these creatures.

It wouldn't be out-of-character for the Strogg to have a bioengineering program that creates, grows, and modifies creatures for specific purposes. Stroyent is already a major feature of biotechnology, so the Strogg clearly have the will and the means to do so. With that said, this is all still totally conjecture.

Quake Wars is the earliest point in the timeline in which we see the Strogg. Given that Quake Wars portrays the Strogg as utilizing humanoid creatures as their basis - with no exceptions whatsoever - my assumption is that the Strogg were a humanoid species before they progressed into the present-day cyber-horrors.

[Delabane]

I forgot about Quake IV, then I only played it about 6 years ago and wasn't drawn to it as I was Quake/Quake II but I was 16-18 then! Had I got Quake IV when it came out in 2005, I might have played it more. Having finally also played Doom 3 recently, the two games feel very similar.

I do hope id do Quake V and give us something new, it's been 18 years.

[Unseen]

I will probably pick up quake4 on steam sometime I’m a bit more interested in that than doom3 given the storyline. Something about the strogg interests me. It’s like the borg but more… Rudimentary. It’s a great nightmare vision, industrialized technology out of control, I’ve often wondered about possible alien species and I think some aliens if they are real could possibly be ai.

I know it’s a space drama/comedy but the Orville had an interesting take on the kalon. No bio anything just a pure ai and their only objective was to destroy us. That could also be possible to me.

[Cr0m]

i would really, really want them to not go anywhere near the strogg if they do another quake.

what would be really cool, would be to see id do something completely new, again. quake 1 had lovecraftian things, 2 and all the others had strogg, so why couldn't the next one be something else entirely? sure there could be hints of some kind of link but i don't want another game full of damn strogg, they look utterly stupid. they need to do something more alien.

i'd really like to see id do stuff with alien beings that aren't even humanoid, things with weird body shapes like big bugs, amoebas, snakes, i don't know man, why does every damn alien have to be shaped like a human in sci fi? it's STUPID. i'm sick of it. i want something NEW

[Delabane]

Originally posted by Unseen:

I will probably pick up quake4 on steam sometime I’m a bit more interested in that than doom3 given the storyline. Something about the strogg interests me. It’s like the borg but more… Rudimentary. It’s a great nightmare vision, industrialized technology out of control, I’ve often wondered about possible alien species and I think some aliens if they are real could possibly be ai.

I know it’s a space drama/comedy but the Orville had an interesting take on the kalon. No bio anything just a pure ai and their only objective was to destroy us. That could also be possible to me.

I think the Borg was a strong influence. At the time of development of Quake II (1996/1997) Star Trek: Deep Space Nine /Voyager, Space Above and Beyond and Lex were the main Sci-fi on air.

[Delabane]

Originally posted by Cr0m:

i would really, really want them to not go anywhere near the strogg if they do another quake.

what would be really cool, would be to see id do something completely new, again. quake 1 had lovecraftian things, 2 and all the others had strogg, so why couldn't the next one be something else entirely? sure there could be hints of some kind of link but i don't want another game full of damn strogg, they look utterly stupid. they need to do something more alien.

i'd really like to see id do stuff with alien beings that aren't even humanoid, things with weird body shapes like big bugs, amoebas, snakes, i don't know man, why does every damn alien have to be shaped like a human in sci fi? it's STUPID. i'm sick of it. i want something NEW

I think the problem they have is that people will expect something new and ground breaking like they did with Quake and Quake III. Doing anything 'new' in a FTP game is very hard as almost everything has been done now. Perhaps a VR FTP which doesn't create any motion sickness might be the only 'new' thing they can really do. Quake II was great but it was nothing ground breaking unlike Quake.

I think the whole Gothic/Lovecraftian influence in Quake was due to John Romero who is a bit of a Goth and when he left it was never in the game again. Now that almost all the original Quake, Quake II, Quake III and Quake IV teams have left, it might be something id can look into again.

[gator]

Wouldn't have.

[SuperJedi]

Originally posted by Unseen:

I just was thinking about it, in the game we see the strogg doing this to people, making them robots, androids. But wouldn't the strogg have more alien enemies than just humans? If they invaded earth they wouldn't of had the organic supplies to start making bio androids without human bodies. Unless the strogg were like people at one time, and just grow each other in vats for android processing. In startrek the borg already had many alien and terran like species they were assimilating. Not sure if what the strogg do can be called assimilation however looks more like organic rigging to me. In startrek many borg and ex borg claim being part of the collective made them feel good. I seriously doubt being a strogg feels good. I mean maybe I'm wrong but getting turned into a human grape then pulverized and having your organics fused to robots doesn't look like it'd feel good. So, wouldn't the strogg have tons of enemies?

If they ever make any new games I really would not be against the idea of maybe a spock like alien race, or maybe something more alien, being allies to humanity just cause they hate the strogg. To me it would make realistic sense, the strogg would had to of stood on other species toes. It doesn't make sense that they could just invade earth with nothing unless they had some kind of sentient species to farm. Course strogg probably wipe out and annihilate people, but... As bad as they do against one lone human soldier I doubt they win every galactic conquest but I don't know, maybe other people know more about what lore is in quake2 and could clue me in on why there's no other species besides humans and strogg.

Well the new episode 'Call of the Machine' indicates that the Strogg were created by inter dimensional shamblers under the influence of Shub Niggurath. Whether the Strogg were created by something else entirely explains exchanged technologies with these dimensional creatures i.e Ogres with grenade launchers and further in more mechanical forms like the Armaggon and crates littered around the Quake levels.

Or I might just be thinking too much into it and leave them as kick ass enemies.

[Unseen]

Quake1 has amazing atmosphere and music but I dunno maybe its just me but I thought the strogg were far more disturbing than the guys in quake1 who really had no backstory besides dimensions, lovecraft, and a few wall decals. Through clever placement they told a perceived storyline about cyber torture, and fascism. I mean people can say borg rip off all they want, the borg are sophisticated assimilation that trys to welcome the victim into a collective. The strogg destroy and don't care about your feelings at all then fuse you as a metal/flesh slave. I mean quake2 is some disturbing stuff, and I don't know why people think quake1 is suppose to be scarier or something. I found the strogg way more disturbing, and look at the metal scene that influenced it. Static x, nin videos like happiness in slavery, robots everywhere, comic books, nightmare sci fi was a definite trope of the late 90s and really besides the odd game like system shock remake, people don't seem to wanna touch on sci fi horror as much these days.

Hell they cut the fantastic raised by wolves after 2 seasons. Show also had some great atmosphere.

[Mrdk]

they already invaded earth almost destoyed it, maybe their older alien cyborgs got destoyed in that war.
or
using alien cyborgs wasnt a good choice for defeating humans. maybe cyborg humans were a better much for fighting humanity.
a giant alien cyborg maybe would be too slow to fight human soldiers, maybe inneficient.

Its similar to how the combine started using combine soldiers after the war instead of synths.
combine soldiers were cheaper and more efficient for human to human warfare.

in quake 4 the strogg switch tactics mid game and start using literal weapon carring humans (tacticals) instead of berserkers and gladiators to fight humans, because these are the best match to fight humans.

[Gila]

Originally posted by Delabane:

I think the whole Gothic/Lovecraftian influence in Quake was due to John Romero who is a bit of a Goth and when he left it was never in the game again. Now that almost all the original Quake, Quake II, Quake III and Quake IV teams have left, it might be something id can look into again.

Romero wanted to make a role playing first person melee combat game in a medieval setting. He wasn't really goth or anything really. Maybe a metal head, but in general id Software were just a bunch of "geeks"/"nerds" in the 90s. The "Lovecraftian" influences came from Sandy Petersen, who brought in his book "Field Guide to Cthulhu Monsters", the cover has an image that influenced Spawn monster. Shambler also came from it.

As for Quake II being different it's now a known story, I'm not sure if it's true, but developers stated they couldn't settle on a cool name so they went with Quake 2, where in reality it has nothing to do with Quake 1.

[Unseen]

Really I beat call of the machine and Shamblers made the strogg probably orders from shub

I have changed my opinions, I don't think strogg care about other aliens. I think the beef with humanity is personal.

Gila why are you so against this game having any kind of story or lore? Even doom and wolfenstein have lore. They wrote about dudes collecting suns like toy cars. They had bedrooms and even a shower room in to deep. If they didn't have a fleshed out story before its obvious they are trying to connect it now.

[Gila]

Originally posted by Unseen:

Really I beat call of the machine and...

It was confirmed by one of the developers involved in Quake Enhanced and Quake II Enhanced rereleases who hangs around in Quake Mapping Discord that Call of the Machine stuff is not canon.

[Unseen]

Some guys said some thing in this game was something.

Man you guys love killing imagination. That would be a seriously bad idea considering the machine games are awesome.