Overpriced Madness.

[OniKai]

Okay, I don't mind paying for things, I have put lots of money into games like league, ect, ect, so get that out of the way, it is not about wanting things for free, it's about pricing that is extortianate, I know you dont have to pay for things, but the point is I'm so insulted at the ammount they want for a Warframe lets say, I'd rather buy two games than waste my money, the game is not worth hundreds of pounds, no game is.

The price of a Warframe is £19,99 which is the price you could pay for an entire game, their are better and more established games out their that don't charge you anywhere neer that price for in game content, that is the kind of money you should be paying for an expansion, not in game items, this game needs to radically re-think its prices.

I kind of feel if I buy anything in this game I'm sending the wrong message to game devellopers, so I like the game but I'm boycotting buying anything out of principal, the prices should reflect its fans and audience, and it would make a hell of a lot more money, I'd expect to pay £4 tops to buy a Warframe, for £20 I'd expect 2000 plats, not a measly 570 which would barley buy you anything in the game, I just fail to see how they justify it when other more established games with mass followers give you so much more bang for your buck.

=====Right! a few things to remember when posting.=====
No one here wants anything for FREE! we want a valid reason to spend our money.
And! that does not involve buying and getting everything right NOW!
(That shouldn't even be possible as it makes playing the game quite pointless and anti climatic!)
The point of this thread is value, bang for buck, none of the above, so idiots that keep spouting any of the above vommit can now jog on.

[Towik]

Still this game has no economy , to have economy you have to have a trading system , and the economy depends on the System drop and the players .
I cannot understand why you cannot trade in this game.
Maybe the game is too simple random puzzles and just endless stupid farming .PoE has no P2W system , not like here where you can buy your WF , there you just get micro esthetics and everyone is happy
I don't think us talking about it here will change anything but still overpriced stuff is just overpriced . i don't care for WF , the platinum is overpriced too .

[SabreXT]

Allajh님이 먼저 게시:

It's Generation Gimmedat that logs onto forums and says ♥♥♥♥ like "Dude, I'll totally enjoy your game and maybe even give you MORE money in the future, just lower your prices now!".

They've had numerous players pay the $250 price tag to be founders, you can tell in game with all the player names affixed to different locations, so it's pretty obvious there are plenty of people that think their prices are fair and are supporting a company they see promise in.

You keep ranting about "generation gimmedat", but to me it sounds like projection. I remember when people were upset about the price of Halo map packs back when DLC was still a new thing, and the common counter argument was "ur just poor!" and so on. Hell, there was a whole episode of Arby n The Chief about the concept of liking something vs value.

As for the term strawman, it has become popular because strawmen are being used more and more by people like, well, you. I'm not sure if you know what a strawman is, but it's setting up an easily countered argument that resembles your opponants argument, but really isn't. eg. You keep talk as if people are demanding the whole game for free in 3 minuites or less, which I don't see people arguing for. Instead, I see people who feel the prices are way to high for what you get, and playing free is such a grind as to make the game not fun.

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ShotgunMayhem님이 먼저 게시:

Well what i think would be best for this game if you ask me is:
1.when it comes out of beta as a complete game make the game from f2p to a 25-30euro game
and give people whowere playing the beta a discount(if it is 30euro then make it for people playing in the beta 15 or 20euro.If you ask me this game will be worth 25 euro if some changes are made which i'm going to leave up to you to decide.
2.make the things you guys are complaining now much cheaper.Or completely remove them from the game and have other micro transactions like suit and weapons camos,hats,backpacks etc

I know it's not the solution you guys are looking for but it's an independent game developing team that somehow needs to get some money out of their game

Your solution seems pretty much fine, at least it's apparently working just fine for certain other games (from which you probably got the idea). I agree that they need to make money, I'd never ask someone to work on something like this and just do it for charity. As others stated previously, the current pricing pretty much feels like you dont get a lot of bang for your buck, unless you throw them a lot of bucks.

I'd say it's more a case of the buck per bang ratio being so low as to not be worth bothering with. I have never bought a multiplayer map pack, but I did buy all the Fallout DLCs. Some were disappointing, but stuff like Point Lookout and Old World Blues were great. I did buy the Payday DLC, though I wasn't happy about it. I had put so many hours into that game, and planned to put in many more that I felt it was worth it from a time perspective, but the content didn't feel worth it. That's part of why I feel temporery boosters are the worst, as they claim to be time savers, but you are on the clock, so you still have to grind in order to get the most out of it.

[Grizzly Summoner]

Supply & Demand Curve:
http://www.college-cram.com/study/economics/files/2010/03/supply-and-demand-curve.gif

I think you should look at the classic S & D chart, what the OP is stating is that he is not in equilibrium with the current price. To be in equilibrium the market price set by suppliers should be within the minimum and maximum amount the buyer (demand) is willing to spend. Not only is this price out of synch with his (OP's) ideal equilibrium but it also appears that the price is entirely above his maximum value for the purchase of even one unit! Another good way to look at his (OP's) proposal is to use the "laffer curve" which demonstrates how lowering a price can indeed increase revenue the closer it is brought to a market equilibrium. Here is the laffer curve diagram: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Laffer-Curve.svg

However OP do not fall into the False-Consensus Effect where an individual wrongly believes that due to the strength of their conviction, more people also believe as they do. (Big reason why people are always so shocked when their canidates lose).

[SabreXT]

Grizzly Summoner님이 먼저 게시:

Supply & Demand Curve:
http://www.college-cram.com/study/economics/files/2010/03/supply-and-demand-curve.gif

I think you should look at the classic S & D chart, what the OP is stating is that he is not in equilibrium with the current price. To be in equilibrium the market price set by suppliers should be within the minimum and maximum amount the buyer (demand) is willing to spend. Not only is this price out of synch with his (OP's) ideal equilibrium but it also appears that the price is entirely above his maximum value for the purchase of even one unit! Another good way to look at his (OP's) proposal is to use the "laffer curve" which demonstrates how lowering a price can indeed increase revenue the closer it is brought to a market equilibrium. Here is the laffer curve diagram: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Laffer-Curve.svg

However OP do not fall into the False-Consensus Effect where an individual wrongly believes that due to the strength of their conviction, more people also believe as they do. (Big reason why people are always so shocked when their canidates lose).

Well, if you are going to bring in basic economics and game theory, your example of the false consensus effect is flawed as a candidate not going their way could also be the spoiler effect or the defussion of responsability at voting time.

...I know that doesn't relate to the point exactly, but if you are going to bring in the jargon, be sure to get it right.

[Grizzly Summoner]

Well the false-consensus effect is a psychology term, not economic. It has to do with the idea that you think whoppers are awesome so there must be a lot of other people that like them too maybe 40% when in actuality the number may be closer to 30% (pure demonstration not actual figures). This is what I meant. I agree that the voting example was probably not the best one to use, it was just the first that popped in my head lol.

[OniKai]

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SolidxEvil님이 먼저 게시:

Maybe you should pay attention to what is being said then you'd realise why what you just said is completely missplaced and moronic here.

No one is wanting anything for free, they are wanting sensible pricing, not even the COD franchise would try such high prices and COD is a rip off, no one has made the point of wanting things for free, so jog on.

I thought the pricing was sensible and I've already logged 20 hours on the game. Have you bothered to think exactly why their prices might be so high? To 'milk' us for money? It's an independent game developer and their prices wouldn't be that high if people weren't paying them.

Some complain that paying $30 or more for one of the Tenno is outrageous and that's FINE, but I didn't look at it that way. I bought the $49.99 Founder pack because I figured I'm paying $2.50 for the hours I've already enjoyed and will undoubtably log more. Will I pay more later? Possibly, but considering the game is in beta and I enjoy wall running (even on the same maps) it's worth while. Will I log +100? I don't know, but I do know I've paid $60+tax for ♥♥♥♥ sandwich AAA titles from big publishers and regretted it within an hour.

What is misplaced and moronic is that people are saying ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like "I'd really like to enjoy your FREE video game, but simply can't because I'd like to spend money, but refuse on the principle it's too high!". If them not lowering their prices is the deal breaker on your enjoyment factor jog on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

It's in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BETA, finish your nerd rage and come back later.

Darth Vader님이 먼저 게시:

You are attacking a strawman here. Nobody is asking for free stuff, we are asking for fair prices. I am perfectly willing to buy things in a F2P game, and have done so in the past. But the prices themselves are outrageous.

I thought the prices were fair, and unless you have some kind of inside information as to how this strategy will utterly destroy them long term that seems to be the case. They may not be advertising on a "lowest common denominator" or "gotta catch em all" theme otherwise they wouldn't be offering people that pay the founder price packages of $99.99 or the $249.99 designer input on the game.

Some guy used an analogy earlier of asking 100 people for $1 would net you more cash than asking 100 people for $100 dollars. In theory that might be correct, but if your objective is to get $100 it doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matter how many people give you $1 if even just one refuses.

They can lower their prices today and I won't be upset that I already paid what I did, but the game is still in BETA and it tells you that. Maybe come back after the game is finished or decide your done with it, but their FAQ is pretty clear there isn't any intention of lowering their prices in the near future.

And there is no strawman (my favorite new internet term everyone throws around, almost like when "fallacy" was used loosely), I've downloaded plenty of F2P games and uninstalled if I didn't like the game play, but if I enjoyed it and spent time playing it I bought some kind of in game currency or what have you.

It's Generation Gimmedat that logs onto forums and says ♥♥♥♥ like "Dude, I'll totally enjoy your game and maybe even give you MORE money in the future, just lower your prices now!".

They've had numerous players pay the $250 price tag to be founders, you can tell in game with all the player names affixed to different locations, so it's pretty obvious there are plenty of people that think their prices are fair and are supporting a company they see promise in.

Nerd rage? to fit into that catagory I'd have to be a little troll like you throwing name calling around because the contents of a thread upset him. You don't like the topic, don't cry about it.

You're the idiot in my opinion wasting that ammount of money on an unfinished product likely to fail, if you love it so much you'd want it to appeal to everyone, one user especially stands out to me, the one user who is disabled and probably has way more of an excuse than you to waste so many hours playing a game, and if they can't afford it on their living budget something is seriously wrong with their pricing, and I wont maybe give it money, I'd definately give it money, I have a £1,500,00 gaming budget pal, so I can pretty much afford anything I want, I'm just not going to blow that money on something that is a joke to the community, you don't rip customers off, quality over quantity.

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FeC Towik님이 먼저 게시:

Still this game has no economy , to have economy you have to have a trading system , and the economy depends on the System drop and the players .
I cannot understand why you cannot trade in this game.
Maybe the game is too simple random puzzles and just endless stupid farming .PoE has no P2W system , not like here where you can buy your WF , there you just get micro esthetics and everyone is happy
I don't think us talking about it here will change anything but still overpriced stuff is just overpriced . i don't care for WF , the platinum is overpriced too .

Trading is coming in Update 8.

[monolitedark]

http://steamcommunity.com/app/230410/discussions/0/828934724109414962/
Try to read this article.

[teh_kommadore]

I have been working alot of hours lately so I haven't had the time to grind out the gear I want, so even having the option to buy stuff in game with cash is apreciated by someone in my position, who feels like their time is more valuable than their money.

[mal]

HDF Red님이 먼저 게시:

I wouldn't be bothered by the high price of platinum if the game had unlimited weapon and frame spots but as it stands if you keep playing you'll eventually have to sink in money to have more slots. Basic functionality like that should be free.

^ this right here.

warning: long post. have a TLDR at bottom.

The only things you cannot get with in game credits, so let's take a look at what $20 will net you on this front assuming the following:
1) you don't buy a WF because you're cheap/ broke/ like grinding (I fall into the broke category, hi!)
2) you missed the founder's pack and have decided to buy the $10 USD for 170 plat until you reached your goal.
3) you wasted your initial 50 in ignorance on stupid things like the mod packs (seriously, those prices should be 10% of what they are imo, other opinions?)

there are currently 12 different (farmable) frames in game, 2 free slots means 10 slots at 20 plat each = 200 plat.
there are 38 weapon slots needed for all unlockable weapons (including shade and wyrm) minus 8 free means 30 bought at 2 for 12 plat = 300 plat.

To have everything unlocked and ready to go costs 500 plat, assuming you farm everything, even supercharges. $20 gets you 340, $30 gets you all content.

Things the developers should consider repricing IN MY OPINION:

a) 30 plat for 5 random mods... nobody is going to buy that unless they got the $250 founders pack and have platinum to burn. the guarenteed rare option ones are even worse.
suggested fix: 30 plat for a mod pack containing specific skills for 1 frame (ie. loki skill pack, ember skill pack, trinity skill pack.) I may be cheap, but I have yet to find even a single skill for my trinity frame. I'd totally buy that. The higher tier mod packs should just be axed.

b) along with the above, mod packs for basic functions (one with vitality, redirection, and faster shield recharge mods) for 45 platinum.. just so people don't reach level 25 on a loki before finding any of the above. (the next day they gave us health scaling with level, my luck sucks.)

c) more frame pack options... the female warframe pack is the only WF platinum offer I'd consider, because it's in line with the bang for your buck mindset. 3 frames for 450 = very alluring due to farming time saved. The theme packs that are not multi frame are overcosted in my opinion.

d) speed crafting costs should go down as the time bar decays. my trinity finishes on saturday morning. I could have had it yesterday for 50 plat, I could have it today for 50 plat, I could have it tomorrow for 50 plat.. if tomorrow it was 15 plat I'd consider it because I'll actually have time to play tomorrow. for 50 plat.. it can wait a week.

e) weapons are a hell of a lot easier to craft than frames and should cost less plat accordingly. we're talking 75 plat here, Also, rank restrictions on what you can buy should be removed, as it serves as a deterrant to impulse shoppers who are new to the game from buying that rhino frame. Also, base health and shields should be displayed on the frame's information page before purchases are made.

TL;DR mostly agree with OP, offering constructive criticism rather than blanket complaint including specific suggestions.

[Grizzly Summoner]

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FeC Towik님이 먼저 게시:

Still this game has no economy , to have economy you have to have a trading system , and the economy depends on the System drop and the players .
I cannot understand why you cannot trade in this game.
Maybe the game is too simple random puzzles and just endless stupid farming .PoE has no P2W system , not like here where you can buy your WF , there you just get micro esthetics and everyone is happy
I don't think us talking about it here will change anything but still overpriced stuff is just overpriced . i don't care for WF , the platinum is overpriced too .

Trading is coming in Update 8.

I know a few of my friends have been wanting trade available for componets

[OniKai]

Mal it is nice to see someone with a good ammount of insight, and some good points, I'm glad someone with experiance with purchasing from Warframe has brought their opinion here.

[ViviOggi]

A LoLbabby bashing f2p models, now that's actually hilarious.

[Vox]

I completely agree.. pretty much fit the description of your original post to a T. I love League and I spend money regularly on it because I play it a lot with a lot of my real life friends. Got absolutely no problem with that, their prices are reasonable. But when I saw the prices on Warframe... You'd basically have to spend $30 to get enough platinum for, say, Rhino. That's HALF of what the new BioShock costs. That makes no sense!! I just can't justify spending THAT much on ONE warframe.

[Bearded Hike]

Read forums-Devs jut added the shop for lazy people. Customization stuff is cheap but if you want frames right away-ok lol,but pay for that. Considering tweaking and nerf-up runs you can end up in a frame with a role you don't like