Ember still worth it after the nerfs?

[Viridium]

Hi!

I wanted to buy the Ember + Loki pack. But after the harsh nerfs to Ember I'm unsure if she is still worth the money. I could make good use of the Platin but when Ember is basically on Mag level aka barely playable beyond lvl40 I don't think it's worth it.

So what do you think? Ember new trash tier?

[Totally Innocent Chatbot]

You clearly aren't very familiar with Mag, then.

[Archwraith]

Originally posted by Totally Innocent Chatbot:

You clearly aren't very familiar with Mag, then.

[Inner Sight]

Ember was changed - not nerfed - from what I heard. They're viable at high level now while not trvializing things at low level.

So... it depends if your priority was to overtrivialize an already trivial difficulty level or use her in a real battle.

[Shadow The Innkeep]

Ember requires more managing right now, but her damage got buffed. I was leveling my Prime and I, for the first time, somewhat enjoyed it. New Emebr allows others to participate in what's going on instead of nuking the whole map alone

[Vitamin Ex]

Every time a change is added people cry "nerf".

Ember was one of the most boring frames in the game. You literally press "4" and just run around doing nothing. Anyone who thinks that is a proper mechanic hasn't tried the other frames. She wasn't fun to play or to have in a group because she would melt everything which left the rest of the group running around doing nothing just like Ember.

DE and the players don't want brainless gameplay like old Ember. The only people who are mad at the changes are those who have a max range Ember they use to idle in missions. I personaly like the change because it's going to force people to learn how to play her differently, or to play other frames. That is the most important thing here, playing other frames rather than EVERYONE playing the same frame because of it's "no skill required" play style.

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

[I]

Originally posted by Vitamin Ex:

Every time a change is added people cry "nerf".

Ember was one of the most boring frames in the game. You literally press "4" and just run around doing nothing. Anyone who thinks that is a proper mechanic hasn't tried the other frames. She wasn't fun to play or to have in a group because she would melt everything which left the rest of the group running around doing nothing just like Ember.

DE and the players don't want brainless gameplay like old Ember. The only people who are mad at the changes are those who have a max range Ember they use to idle in missions. I personaly like the change because it's going to force people to learn how to play her differently, or to play other frames. That is the most important thing here, playing other frames rather than EVERYONE playing the same frame because of it's "no skill required" play style.

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

Yeah I rarely use her Peacemaker now. Her staggering shield setup is probably one of the tankiest builds in this game and I don't see anyone playing this setup other than me. :(

But yeah,Ember is still worth it.

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by Vitamin Ex:

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

The only thing that wouldn't kinda hemmorage her in other scenarios would be giving peacemaker damage falloff. Which...come to think of it probably wouldn't be so bad, especially if it's quite a wide band.

[Shadow The Innkeep]

Originally posted by Vitamin Ex:

Every time a change is added people cry "nerf".

Ember was one of the most boring frames in the game. You literally press "4" and just run around doing nothing. Anyone who thinks that is a proper mechanic hasn't tried the other frames. She wasn't fun to play or to have in a group because she would melt everything which left the rest of the group running around doing nothing just like Ember.

DE and the players don't want brainless gameplay like old Ember. The only people who are mad at the changes are those who have a max range Ember they use to idle in missions. I personaly like the change because it's going to force people to learn how to play her differently, or to play other frames. That is the most important thing here, playing other frames rather than EVERYONE playing the same frame because of it's "no skill required" play style.

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

I completely agree!

[V.V.]

Why do people keep thinking Mag is bad? It's like people play her in one mission, find out they can't play her for sh!t, then think she is trash because they suck. If you can't play Mag beyond lvl 40, you are clearly the problem, not Mag.

As for Ember. I haven't personally tested her myself, but I stopped relying on her WoF a while back ago, and the changes didnt really seem all that bad (to me, personally). Although, I'm pretty sure people who rely on her 4th are probably crying in some dark corner right now...

Originally posted by Hello I:

Yeah I rarely use her Peacemaker now. Her staggering shield setup is probably one of the tankiest builds in this game and I don't see anyone playing this setup other than me. :(

I only play her for her Shooting gallery and Staggering Shield. When they reworked her 4th to what we know it as today, I never bothered with it, and just kept my tank build. :3

[Inner Sight]

Originally posted by ViVi:

Why do people keep thinking Mag is bad? It's like people play her in one mission, find out they can't play her for sh!t, then think she is trash because they suck. If you can't play Mag beyond lvl 40, you are clearly the problem, not Mag.

Mag Prime is literally my most played warframe.I still think she's bad. I just... really want to make her work.

Edited to add: I've not tried her since the update though. She's got to be better now.

[davitduk]

Originally posted by Vitamin Ex:

Every time a change is added people cry "nerf".

Ember was one of the most boring frames in the game. You literally press "4" and just run around doing nothing. Anyone who thinks that is a proper mechanic hasn't tried the other frames. She wasn't fun to play or to have in a group because she would melt everything which left the rest of the group running around doing nothing just like Ember.

DE and the players don't want brainless gameplay like old Ember. The only people who are mad at the changes are those who have a max range Ember they use to idle in missions. I personaly like the change because it's going to force people to learn how to play her differently, or to play other frames. That is the most important thing here, playing other frames rather than EVERYONE playing the same frame because of it's "no skill required" play style.

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

i Use alot of time Ember and never played with Range this reduce your strenght and to melt someting i use close range but i need to wait alot of time against 30 or 40 lv, you people are desrtoying the game sure! we Nerf now Exalted Blade dont you? now is stupid the game are pushing to OP frames until the nerf! you people are suporting this game to the dead, and then you gona need two Kavats to deal some damage IMAO.

[Sceles]

The problem with her nerf was not that it made her unusable, far from it. It was that now you're forced to focus very heavily on range if you're going to use her 4, which limits build possibilities.

Originally posted by Aasha:

Ember was changed - not nerfed - from what I heard. They're viable at high level now while not trvializing things at low level.

She's not any more viable now than she was before. Actually I'd say she got even less viable because the range on her 4 increased her survivability. by setting enemies on fire before they had a chance to shoot.

Originally posted by Vitamin Ex:

Every time a change is added people cry "nerf".

Ember was one of the most boring frames in the game. You literally press "4" and just run around doing nothing. Anyone who thinks that is a proper mechanic hasn't tried the other frames. She wasn't fun to play or to have in a group because she would melt everything which left the rest of the group running around doing nothing just like Ember.

DE and the players don't want brainless gameplay like old Ember. The only people who are mad at the changes are those who have a max range Ember they use to idle in missions. I personaly like the change because it's going to force people to learn how to play her differently, or to play other frames. That is the most important thing here, playing other frames rather than EVERYONE playing the same frame because of it's "no skill required" play style.

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

Ember is still press 4 to win, let's stop pretending that this fixed anything. She just has less range now. Mesa is not press 4 to win because you have to aim with her and toggle it on and off. She requires far more active playstyle than Ember did or does even now.

Originally posted by JebKerman:

Originally posted by Vitamin Ex:

I hope they change Mesa next because she is one of the last "press 4 to win" frames and PoE is flooded with people using Mesa because she requires no skill to play. 8 out of 10 groups I join in PoE has 1+ Mesas shinch is a red flag for the developers.

The only thing that wouldn't kinda hemmorage her in other scenarios would be giving peacemaker damage falloff. Which...come to think of it probably wouldn't be so bad, especially if it's quite a wide band.

You're going to give falloff to a weapon that can't even shoot further than 50m? Its range is already so low that it's often an annoyance even when you're not on PoE.

[coledragonknight]

She does 2x damage with WoF now, with accelrant i was doing something like 1400 per hit before that, so she is a real powerhouse now

[On Vacation]

There is not a single frame in this game, that is "barely" playable above level 40. There are cases where x frame might be more efficient or better suited for a task, but every frame is viable in any of the existing standard content. It sounds like you've already made up your mind though on what you think of Ember's changes. At the very least you heavily imply it.

On a side note yesterday I found it quite amusing to see a post challenging people supporting the nerf on WF's forums to do the sortie with Ember and record their experience. Lo and behold that challenge was accepted and hats off to the user for one upping the challenger by using a regular Ember with 0 forma's and no range mods.

[vid23]

Originally posted by Aasha:

Originally posted by ViVi:

Why do people keep thinking Mag is bad? It's like people play her in one mission, find out they can't play her for sh!t, then think she is trash because they suck. If you can't play Mag beyond lvl 40, you are clearly the problem, not Mag.

Mag Prime is literally my most played warframe.I still think she's bad. I just... really want to make her work.

Edited to add: I've not tried her since the update though. She's got to be better now.

mag is pretty powerful against grineer and corpus, not so much against infested, if you know how to play you can do level 100+ content without problem