WhereTF is Universe Sandbox 2

[Flatulence Florence]

I have purchased 2 different US games. Where is 2?

[Alaskan Glitch]

This is Universe Sandbox 2. It was renamed, and the original Universe Sandbox was also renamed to Universe Sandbox Legacy.

[Alaskan Glitch]

The name change was on Steam and in the Universe Sandbox 2 game. It had no effect on Universe Sandbox Legacy, which is still named "Universe Sandbox" by the game.

[piddlefoot]

My second Earth ended up freezing a 1000 years later, bummer.....

So I tossed half a dozen Jupiters at it all for fun, !!!!

[Sniper King]

Originally posted by Alaskan Glitch:

The name change was on Steam and in the Universe Sandbox 2 game. It had no effect on Universe Sandbox Legacy, which is still named "Universe Sandbox" by the game.

No effect other than the fact that those of us who bought it aren't able to play it anymore.

Real scumbag move.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by Osmigos:

Originally posted by Alaskan Glitch:

The name change was on Steam and in the Universe Sandbox 2 game. It had no effect on Universe Sandbox Legacy, which is still named "Universe Sandbox" by the game.

No effect other than the fact that those of us who bought it aren't able to play it anymore.

Real scumbag move.

You are mistaken. I have no problems running Universe Sandbox Legacy, and actually prefer it over Universe Sandbox 2.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by piddlefoot:

hahaha, dont you love it when a plan comes together !

Think of it like a merging Star, wham bam holey crap man !

Then go run that simulation, hehe, fascinating.

This program has taught my kids so much, when they visualise the solar system now they actually comprehend whats going on, and TV alone could not really achieve this, with this program you can change your view, that give the kids a really good sense of whats where and doing what, this program, Ive said before, should be a part of every schools education program in the entire country, and maybe even every country of the western world.

I slapped two earths into one orbit, opposite each other in relation to sun, they lasted 400 years before Ceres decided to head for our moon !!!!!!!!

No matter where I put it now, I cant seem to repeat it.
The first time it was just inside our current Earth orbit line, they happily passed eachother and did not collide, year after year, but things in the outer system got all funky after about 100 years.!!!

What a fun tool !

The name change didnt take away anything !

I truly hope you are not using this game as a teaching tool. The only thing that resembles reality in Universe Sandbox is the Newtonian N-Body mechanics. Everything else is pure fiction and not even remotely based upon science.

That is why I prefer the Legacy version. When it comes to Newtonian N-Body mechanics both versions do it very well, and worth the money on just that basis alone. However, the Legacy version does not include all the fictional crap they included in Universe Sandbox (formerly version 2).

[Alaskan Glitch]

Universe Sandbox 2 is about as realistic as a animated cartoon is to the real-world. Other than the n-body feature of the GAME, it is entirely fictional with no bearing on reality whatsoever.

Those who think Universe Sandbox 2 is some kind of educational tool are obviously lacking the education to comprehend that it is not. Nobody who knows anything about astrophysics would ever attempt to use Universe Sandbox 2 as an educational tool, they would be laughed out of the profession.

Universe Sandbox 2 does not include quantum mechanics as has been erroneously claimed. It is based entirely on Newtonian mechanics and nothing else. It does not allow the transfer of mass from one object to another. Absolutely every stellar explosion in the GAME is a core-collapse supernova. The weather system they created for this GAME is a joke and intended to push a specific ideological agenda rather than based on science.

In short, anyone who uses Universe Sandbox 2 to teach children are doing their children a serious disservice and giving them completely bogus information. One has to be smarter than the GAME to know that it is sheer fantasy and not even remotely based on science.

[piddlefoot]

Well tell that to well known physicists dude, what you say can be PROVEN scientifically incorrect.

Just go watch the channels champ and see HOW its used.
Damn champ, I even linked you to one, come on, open your mind a little tiny bit.

There are not a huge amount of programs that can put things we see in physics into moving image, this does a good job of that for doco's, why you cant understand that is pretty incredible.

So based on the fact, it IS used to create moving film in doco's, some of these doco's are pretty popular and on your large TV networks, and utube, is literally, literally direct evidence your flat wrong about this.

In fact a simple experiment with any 10 to 14 year old also proves the point, it actually drives the point home better than anything you can explain on a chalk board.
Open the Solar system scenario.
Show the kids how the Solar systems layout actually looks, where all of the planets are in relation to eachother.

What your not thinking about are the basics, this is where education starts for all children, and an image is a 1000 words, seeing it in motion, really opens their little minds up to that wow moment.

Seeing that, makes this such an obvious no brainer argument, I need not say anymore, every teacher of that age group teaching absolutely does gain an advantage by using this program to show how things in space are laid out and move in basic movement.

We are not running quantum black hole equations here, we are simply talking about the simple things this can teach and for that it is an amazing program.

Im sorry if you can not understand that.

[Lord Kouranis]

how were you shown, or told about the solar system.

ever used an orrery? cosmological models that are so old, they will continue to grow and expand long after you are atoms.

want to make a better program?

just be thankful this one deals with our known universe and not something like the dark crystal.

[Alaskan Glitch]

Originally posted by Lord Kouranis:

how were you shown, or told about the solar system.

ever used an orrery? cosmological models that are so old, they will continue to grow and expand long after you are atoms.

want to make a better program?

just be thankful this one deals with our known universe and not something like the dark crystal.

That is the problem. This program does not deal with our known universe. It makes up sheer fantasy to make it easy to develop.

I have always said that if you are interested in an N-Body simulator, then Universe Sandbox is a good tool for that purpose. However, everything else is pure fantasy and not based on science at all, as they deceptively claim. I have a issue with companies that intentionally deceive their customers.

[piddlefoot]

And yet you only need watch a few scientific video's where they use this engine to see just how powerful it can be in education, because why.........

Physicists use this on there doco's.

They use it to explain how things move in relation to other things, for our solar system and loacal area its fine.

You people are talking about a level of physics that for education reasons is not needed until Uni or beyond.
As proven by the programs themselves right now being used in educational places that are prior to Uni education.

So forget the perfect model, we dont have that anyway.
No matter what model you use.
Not even Sean Carrol's version works here.

So as a mechanism to explain how our solar system works, you are absolutely wrong.

You can effectively argue, that every single model we have to date, is in fact not quite correct.

We can create stars inside this program, just as we think they actually form, but anyway.....
We can see the layout of our solar system and what effect changing an orbit might have, but anyway.....
We can literally give the most vivid imagine, directly delivered into a child eyes, with this program, but anyhoooooo.....

We are utterly ignorant, if we cant take a step back and realise that even though its not a perfect simulation it IS still very useful for educational reasons.

Really, thats not hard to grasp.
And I believe if you cant admit that, your arguing just for teh sake of arguing...

[Alaskan Glitch]

The developers claim to be able to simulate gravity, but they do not use relativity. The developers claim to be able to show habitable zones, but they do not use the method for determining habitable zones. Universe Sandbox cannot even do accretion because it does not allow for the transfer of mass from one object to another. Universe Sandbox also completely ignores rotation, density, and magnetism and their effects. In short, Universe Sandbox does absolutely nothing scientifically, other than N-body simulated orbits, despite their claims to the contrary.

When asked about these deficiencies, limitations, and blatant errors the developers said they "simplified" the science for the user. That alone should tell you volumes about this product.

Those using this fictional game as an educational tool must also have a simplified understanding of science if they consider this deliberately deceptive product as educational. Those with a basic grasp of physics consider Universe Sandbox a bad joke by developers pushing complete and utter nonsense while daring to call it "science."

[OuijaMawl]

Alaskan is making quite a strawman argument here, The simulation is not supposed to be a true representation of what happens in physics, the sim is here to be able to allow you the user to reproduce a rough facsimile of a system of objects within a limited focused and easily computed set of functions to reproduce the effects of gravity, motion, etc.

This was not made for high end astrophysical study to give you and actual very accurate model with all the bells and whistles that would occur in a natural state. the first argument you make can easily prove that this is the case since if you have any knowledge of how vastly computationally expensive a true model with relativity included then you would not even have to think why it is not included in this sim intended for the general population.

The case that this sim can be used to show a grade school student some very loose concept of what goes on in space isn't hard to grasp, you are teaching a person who may not even know the principles of gravity or motion to be able to just see this in action on a newtonian level can generate much interest in any student interested in the topic, these minds will not be Steven Hawkings or De Grasse Tysons, so I fail to see why they need to be shown something that is so utterly complex, these ppl could easily apply to a relevant NASA/CERN/ESA etc and have access to those more accurate models if they wish. Asking that much of a simluation game on steam only shows how unrealistic your expectations are of this title.

[Twiaktzlud]

hello is this arguement cancelled???? if u replie to me it isnt

[piddlefoot]

Its all over bro, you missed it, thank you very much, please come again !