Just curious about how many players have actually got 100% achievements...

[SPiCa]

Because IMO the 100% completion of this game would be EXTREMELY hard...

I first played the N series when it's still a flash game, and at that time I was struggling just completing each episodes. When I saw N++ was released on steam I picked it up again, and aimed at getting the all-gold badge on every level 'cause I felt I was getting better at this game, but it's already killing me, and currently I'm not even half-way through this goal... My original ambition was to 100% complete this game but when I googled what "get everything" means in the "Completionist" achievement, I think I've already given up...

Currently the global stats shows 0.1% on the Completionist achievement, but IMO it's not like that there's one in every 1000 players who could complete this game, so I've assumed it's the rounding problem, or just that the minimum number to show is 0.1%.

(Sorry about all these mumbles, just being desperate and curious at the same time)

[golfkid]

Currently anybody with the Completionist achievement used some form of cheating or hacking to get it.... it's bugged and hardcore mode all gold doesn't give you the completion points needed. There is a bugfix patch in the works that aims to correct this, among other things. That said, there have been 6 people who have met all other requirements for 100% completion that we know of: Slomac, Hitfreezy, Kostucha, Alpha Easy, Fnyt, and MrSprucetree.

Also, the Ultimate Ninja achievement is also bugged such that nobody can legitimately get it. Either hardcore is supposed to be included in there (even though it's listed as a separate game mode from the main menu), or there's some other bug that prevents it from unlocking. So again, anybody who shows with that achievement has gotten it through some other means.

[Lar Dass]

Originally posted by golfkid:

Currently anybody with the Completionist achievement used some form of cheating or hacking to get it.... it's bugged and hardcore mode all gold doesn't give you the completion points needed. There is a bugfix patch in the works that aims to correct this, among other things. That said, there have been 6 people who have met all other requirements for 100% completion that we know of: Slomac, Hitfreezy, Kostucha, Alpha Easy, Fnyt, and MrSprucetree.

Also, the Ultimate Ninja achievement is also bugged such that nobody can legitimately get it. Either hardcore is supposed to be included in there (even though it's listed as a separate game mode from the main menu), or there's some other bug that prevents it from unlocking. So again, anybody who shows with that achievement has gotten it through some other means.

have they fixed this stuff?

[golfkid]

Not yet, but it's one of the top two priorities for bugfixing, and they have communicated to us on Discord that the patch is supposed to come out sometime this summer. The other top priority for bugfixing is the editor bug that crashes the game when you press F with the HUD visible.

[Raxo]

I'm assuming 100% means getting all the coins on every level?

[golfkid]

Oh no, that will only get you about 35-40% of the way there. There's also getting all gold on every co-op level, completing all race levels, completing all hardcore stories (and doing each one without dying)..... and then there's an absolute ton of more secretive stuff that's way harder than anything else I just listed.

[Kraagesh]

No one will ever get 100%, legit at least.
100% is impossible for human without TAS or speedhacking.

[golfkid]

Originally posted by Kraagesh:

No one will ever get 100%, legit at least.
100% is impossible for human without TAS or speedhacking.

If you read my first reply to this thread, there are people who have done everything in the game already, other than what is currently bugged and not awarding points.

Originally posted by golfkid:

There have been 6 people who have met all other requirements for 100% completion that we know of: Slomac, Hitfreezy, Kostucha, Alpha Easy, Fnyt, and MrSprucetree.

Since then, two more people have gotten there - Dunedane and ChebyShevrolet. Most of these players have videos on either Twitch or Youtube that you can look at to see how the hardest things are done.

[Kraagesh]

Originally posted by golfkid:

If you read my first reply to this thread, there are people who have done everything in the game already, other than what is currently bugged and not awarding points.

Honestly, I do not believe that it was done legit. How can I make sure that this was not done with auto keyboard record / bot?
Some of levels require inhuman reflexes and too much luck, because it is impossible to react absolutely precise (frame+pixel perfect) multiple times in a row.
I'm not new to precision platformers, but even after many years of practice, some challenges and levels seem impossible. Some I already tried many thousand times.
It can be easily done with recording and editing key press sequences.

[golfkid]

How about you join the discord? More often than not at least one of the people who have 100% will be online and you can ask them questions. Most of these streamed on Twitch for hours on each of the last hard challenges, and the videos have been saved.

https://discordapp.com/invite/nplusplus

[ekisacik]

We keep a video library for this stuff. :)

[metanet_raigan]

I'm one of the developers (sorry about the bugged achievement, it will be patched very soon now), I just wanted to mention that every challenge/task in the game is 100% possible by a human, because part of the level design process is play-testing to make sure it's all possible. Also I've seen several streams of the expert players completing the hardest challenges, including at least one with a keycam (IIRC xela did some of Ultimate with a camera?).

It can take many hundreds or even thousands of hours to develop the skills necessary for some of the more extreme challenges (then again, a few people in the community have picked it up at a really accelerated pace). Depending on your particular strengths and weaknesses, thousands of attempts are sometimes not atypical -- IIRC there are a few challenges where many people have 4-digit attempts.

This scale is a bit extreme for most games maybe, but we wanted to make something that would truly last a lifetime (or, as long as you enjoy spending on it) via a process of constantly testing the upper limits of players' skill.

We tried really hard to pace everything gradually, so that players have room to learn and gradually develop increasing levels of skill. By the time you've beaten most of the levels, you're good enough that many of the all-golds are possible. And when you've beaten most of the all-golds, you're good enough for many of the secret challenges. Which means you might be good enough for some of the secret levels. And once you've pretty much wrapped those up, you *might* be good enough for the handful of truly terrifying challenges you've been skipping along the way because they seem truly impossible. ;)

A few of the challenges are definitely so hard that we only ever expected a handful of people to beat them, since even for expert players they require a significant devotion of time and effort. We though that huge dynamic range from the intro to the hardest challenges was really fun. Plus some of the hardest levels are the best ones IMO ("wicked weapons" is a personal fave).

[Fnyt]

I've done it, AMA

[Kraagesh]

Nah. I give up.
I'm tired of this game, designed exactly to cause maximum pain and suffering and to waste as much time as possible.
4 of 5 levels of episode will be boring and long, and fifth will be close to impossible, exactly for players to waste as much time as possible, because people don't like to throw on last level.
Larger half of most levels is boring, monotonous and very long. But in the very end there always a almost impossible part. Further we go, worse it becomes.
Most ultimate X line, some secret challenges and secret levels look like a bad joke.

I regret spending money on this. Actually, players should be payed to play this. It is annoying and tiring even more than my job.
I will ask tech-support to remove this from my library to never return to it.
UPD: removed. It was easier than I think.

[Muzgrob]

Did you try being good at the game?

[Kraagesh]

Originally posted by Muzgrob:

Did you try being good at the game?

Yeah. For too long. And received nothing but disappointment.
Farther you go, worse it becomes.
It is not rewarding. Only punishing.
Better beat Celeste Farewell with golden berry again. At least it's possible and much more satisfying.