How to <10 Minute Titan?

[VoidingNixx]

So I recently started playing WFTO and have been playing skirmishes against the AI lately. The AI on Hard and Master always seems to get a Titan at around 8 minutes into the game. How do you generate enough Sins that fast to do this???

I have an Archive room with 6 tables and 7 or 8 Cultists, fortified walls for the room, and even when I hit them with Obey throughout the game, it still takes me until around 23 minutes into the game before I can summon a Titan. What gives?? How do you generate Sins faster?

They also seem to rush me with about twice as many units that will even enter into my dungeon. I plop down a Beastiary as one of the first things in the game, but they just don't come pouring out like they do for the AI it seems. :(

[Green.Sliche]

Probably the combination of obey and work-a-lot potion. These two allow you to generate sins at faster and more reliable rate if managed correctly.

If you want to know more, I'd advise you to play 2v2 with AI team mate and observe the way he does expand and manage the dungeon.

[VoidingNixx]

Thanks Green

[Korvek]

Four cultists, train them to level 2, use obey from the outset, reinforce archive walls, and constantly brew work-a-lot potions. It is also important that you build your 3x3 archive before claiming the gateway.

[VoidingNixx]

Ok, so how do you get four Cultists? I have an upgraded room with 3 tables (six spots total) and all the game will give me is 3. Also, on the three I had, they were level 3-4 and constantly had Obey on them. You cannot stack Obey and Work-A-Lot. It still took me 20 minutes to summon a Titan. AI did it in under 6 minutes. >.>

It is becoming irritating because the Summoning Well says the minion capacity is only at like 13%... yet it will not spit out any additional units.

[Green.Sliche]

4 cultists can be attracted by 5x5 Archive. To increase odds of getting 4 cultists first, you should deactivate other units using portal ( click on the center of portal ) so you can continue building your dungeon without getting units of other type. Once you get 4 cultists, you can re-activate other units in the same way.

For training these cultists, you can use either arena or barracks. Barracks require less control, arena can be used for beast training as well. Pick the one you feel comfortable.

Regarding obey and work-a-lot : you can cast obey before applying work-a-lot, this ensures that units who are under work-a-lot buff don't leave their work place to satisfy their other needs.

[VoidingNixx]

Hmm.. maybe my rooms are just not wide enough then. I am using a room which is 7x3.

[Korvek]

Just make a 5x5 archive. Disable gnarling spawning. Do not train cultists beyond level 2. Obey cultists constantly. Also, make sure that you are not building lairs/slaughterpens etc. too early.

[VoidingNixx]

Ok, thanks for the tips everyone.

[♥♥♥♥ Goblin]

Originally posted by Webbernever1:

Also, make sure that you are not building lairs/slaughterpens etc. too early.

This adds a lot of free time to all units. You can usually go 15+ minutes without a lair/slaughterpen. I've won games without a lair/slaughterpen. Magical Meat can also help.

[Green.Sliche]

Originally posted by Jokery:

still dont change the fact the AI is cheating .... since is impossible to get titan under 10 mins

It is very much possible to do if you do a set of actions. Also it's titan egg that is unlocked before 10 min mark, not titan himself.

[Jokery]

i know

[Biervampir [AUT]]

Originally posted by Jokery:

still dont change the fact the AI is cheating .... since is impossible to get titan under 10 mins

I get my Titan egg around 7:00
so no, the AI is never cheating at any point

What I do is:
- start with 3x3 archive
- claim portal
- 3x3 beast den
- unlock obey
- 3x3 Barracks
- deactivate Gnarling spawn
- slap cultist & obey it (for all my cultists)
- drop at barracks and lvl them up to lvl 2
- in an 5x5 area 3 archive props
- reenforce barrack walls (built beside core)
- when my 3rd cultist spawn, 5x5 archive
- dig out a 3x3 area
- when my 4th cultist spawn, build an alchemy lab
- reenforce archive walls
- brew work a lot
- drop it onto cultists

here's the video on, how its done. Just Skip to 1:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Dlpjmsirs

[Crythor]

Originally posted by Jokery:

still dont change the fact the AI is cheating .... since is impossible to get titan under 10 mins

Not even Close i can get a Behemoth in 5:10 (stone) and an archon/cholossus (stone) in 5:40. Ai never cheats and my times are faster then the AI.

[Biervampir [AUT]]

Originally posted by Crythor:

Originally posted by Jokery:

still dont change the fact the AI is cheating .... since is impossible to get titan under 10 mins

Not even Close i can get a Behemoth in 5:10 (stone) and an archon/cholossus (stone) in 5:40. Ai never cheats and my times are faster then the AI.

Do you go for Cultists and crackpots only and manapool for only obey, with 5 workers?

[Crythor]

Originally posted by Biervampir AUT:

Originally posted by Crythor:

Not even Close i can get a Behemoth in 5:10 (stone) and an archon/cholossus (stone) in 5:40. Ai never cheats and my times are faster then the AI.

I want to see that

I can make you a vid someday. The key to getting archon/colossus that fast is to get necros when you unlock the crypt and then use them when you have archive upgrade. Its faster then more crackpots. So basically 4 Cultists 2 crackpots and up to 2 necros. AI sometimes manages 6:X (not entirely sure?) like this. My best Archon rush without necros was 6:01.