Will there ever be a real succesor to Dungeon Keeper?

[Rhalius]

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the effort here, WftO has done better than others, but it still is not it for me, it's still a bit too far off the mark for me personally.

I mean, even Dungeon Keeper 2 did not quite get it. It's a great game on it's own, but not as a sequel to Dungeon keeper 1.

And I feel like WftO only strayed further away from DK1, putting emphasis on all the things of DK2 that didn't feel like improvements to me.

The silly cartoony art style for one. DK2 already toyed a bit with that, while DK1 had this beautiful grim classic fairytale look to it, with it's muted colours and dark corners.
DK2 was sadly released at the time 3D graphics where very limited, but a modern succesor to Dungeon Keeper could really do it justice and bring back that beautiful art style.

And this also plays into the creatures and heroes not being very interesting. Not in appearance and not in abilities. In Dungeon Keeper, each creature had a lot of character and felt pretty unique. Leveling them up made them pretty strong too, unlocking some interesting abilities along the way. A level 10 creature was worth something.

DK2 already made casters pretty boring, very slow to do anything while in DK1 it really felt like they where going all out in a fight with defensive and offensive spells. I quite enjoyed that frantic combat.

And in DK1 you could also turtle up. In WftO enemies don't just tunnel through your walls easily, they keep going through many walls to just wreck your whole dungeon design with pointless destruction.

I feel like there's also overkill with the research. It's too much. I think it would have been better to have split the evil side up into sub factions or have paid more attention to creatures and less to the overblown technology tree.

It is nice to have different dungeon and imp styles, that is a nice touch. But it might have been nice to continue that theme through the other creatures as well.

[Biervampir [AUT]]

There is a real successor to Dungeon Keeper, which couldn't be further away from what Dungeon Keeper made Dungeon Keeper, called Dungeon Keeper Mobile.

Dungeon Keeper is in EA's IP Graveyard and probably will never get resurrected.

Yea, I often hear the feedback that WFTO is more like Dungeon Keeper 2 than Dungeon Keeper 1. And people who liked DK2 tempt to like WFTO, but people who liked DK1 are more on the fence.

There is an upcoming game called Lords of Nether, which is goes for a much darker atmosphere, though the combat system will be more complex and it won’t be a god sim, but a dungeon management sim for sure.

[Rhalius]

Lords of Nether looks promising in art style for sure, but also like it may be years away. Certainly seems more of a strategic game but it might capture the atmosphere. Only thing I am hesistant about is gear leveling up with creatures, can be really cool or the high level stuff might get too over the top as in many games.

There's no Dungeon keeper mobile as far as I'm concerned. The sooner EA goes bankrupt, the sooner we might see all their great IP's released to people who actually know how to use it.

[Enker-Zan]

Originally posted by Rhalius:

The sooner EA goes bankrupt, the sooner we might see all their great IP's released to people who actually know how to use it.

The day that happens will be a glorious one. Especially with Atari.

[Rhalius]

Certainly. It would be so much better if the IP's belonged to the actual developers who made them instead of publishers. I mean, Dungeon Keeper has so much potential.

It could get a D&D 5e campaign book for example, giving the Dungeon Master some tools to have the brave heroes enter dungeons like this to destroy the dungeon heart.
It could have the stats and abilities of the creatures translated to D&D in the book, and there could even be a miniature set released with it that provides the miniatures of the DK exclusive creatures like the Horned Reaper and Bile Demon.

Heck I think it would even be possible to build an interesting board game on kickstarter with this IP, which could also come with the miniatures.

Personally, the best thing though that could possibly be done would be Dungeon Keeper 1 getting a definitive edition like the Age of Empires games.
Updated graphics, fully 3D creatures but keeping everything in the same art style and gameplay, at most fixing bugs and improving AI, they could even add in multible difficulty settings.

And add a bit of new content while at it, a new campaign along with a few new heroes and creatures, as well as setting up a better skirmish mode where you could either play evil or as the heroes.
Like they could add a new creature to lure by constructing each room that currenly lures nothing yet.
Maybe a dark sorceress for the temple, maybe an ogre or some hooded executioner for the prison, a necromancer for the graveyard and a new weaker creature for the treasury like a DK1 interpretation of the goblin.
And for the heroes maybe an Amazon as a stronger archer, some sort of stalwart infantry soldier and a Paladin as a new elite warrior.

[Biervampir [AUT]]

Originally posted by Rhalius:

There's no Dungeon keeper mobile as far as I'm concerned.

Dungeon Keeper Mobile
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ea.game.dungeonkeeper_row

Promo Video
https://youtu.be/-A3qCIrTolo

[thee.alemaozinho]

Originally posted by Biervampir AUT:

Originally posted by Rhalius:

There's no Dungeon keeper mobile as far as I'm concerned.

Dungeon Keeper Mobile
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ea.game.dungeonkeeper_row

Promo Video
https://youtu.be/-A3qCIrTolo

I think he is just denying its existence. Probably the best choice.

BTT: I think WFTO is the best sucessor to DK1 there ever was (including DK2 which I did not like very much, not only but especially because of the art style) and I do not see that it lacks anything I would wish from a sucessor in the spiritual line of DK1.

[Rhalius]

I would say DK2 is still better than WFTO, it still had iconic creatures and enemies didn't dig through your walls that easily.
The black knight, rogue, dark elf, goblin, dark angel and maiden where good new additions, just a shame that no creature from DK1 that remained where done any favours. Troll stayed kind of the same but the rest looked worse in the new art style.

It's mainly that early 3D graphics aged poorly. The spells, traps, research and all that was still manageable, I've no idea what's even going on there in WFTO.

[drunken.dx]

Originally posted by Biervampir AUT:

There is a real successor to Dungeon Keeper, which couldn't be further away from what Dungeon Keeper made Dungeon Keeper, called Dungeon Keeper Mobile.

Please don't remind me of THAT.

Generic griefer paradise, in DK setting, spitting on everything what made DK good.

[Nethrezin]

imo wfto is the successor
tho i still miss horny

[thee.alemaozinho]

I miss the Indy-Trap!

[Johnny Cliff]

I would like to see something like DK1 or DK2, too. Recently I played "Dungeons 3". I am very disappointing. They did so much wrong in my opinion. DK1 and DK2 has been so great and so much better than all these "clones".

[Rhalius]

Sadly all the clones seem to try and be too silly in everything and take on this cartoony look.
They miss the darker part that really made Dungeon Keeper and the gameplay is always off.

Reminds me a little of the recent Medievil remake that also went too goofy and failed to recapture the scary parts of the original. And that's even a direct remake.

[The Cunning Fox (raZoleg)]

Tsk tak tsk… people talking about successor to DK and yet nobody mentions Black & White.

[Rhalius]

Because it has little in common aside the hand.

No dungeon, only one creature which requires a lot of babysitting and convoluted spell casting with hand gestures.

It was an alright game, but I could never finish either of them. Both had a lot of interesting ideas but it did not work that well in practice. Sadly a theme for Peter Molineux's creations.

[thee.alemaozinho]

Originally posted by razoleg (The Cunning Fox):

Tsk tak tsk… people talking about successor to DK and yet nobody mentions Black & White.

You must be kidding, right?