I asked Ben. Help!

[Fragile]

I asked Ben about potatoes. He said that subsoiling was faster than plowing. But as I look up into the shop and went to subsoilers. There's no subsoiler with the speed higher than 12kph.
all items in the list have 12kph. Same speed as plowers.

So what does Ben mean about subsoiler is much faster than plowing?

[Fragile]

Originally posted by D3st:

Originally posted by Fragile:

I asked Ben about potatoes. He said that subsoiling was faster than plowing. But as I look up into the shop and went to subsoilers. There's no subsoiler with the speed higher than 12kph.
all items in the list have 12kph. Same speed as plowers.

So what does Ben mean about subsoiler is much faster than plowing?

bob is kinda in the patato about this one.The only thing which is faster its because you don't have to remove big rock from plowing it.You still have to roll it tho to get ride of the small rock.Its faster to roll then removing rock with the rock remover machine because roller are really large compare the the rock remover machine.

Plowing= Generate big rock

subsoiler= Generate small rock.

Wait! Plowing is the one that generates small rocks.

[AoD_lexandro]

Subsoilers are faster because you do not need to cultivate a field when using one. It plows and cultivates at the same time, removing a time cost on cultivation requirements.

[D3st]

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

Subsoilers are faster because you do not need to cultivate a field when using one. It plows and cultivates at the same time, removing a time cost on cultivation requirements.

Seems i was wrong anyway but subsoil now generate large rock as well i just checked.In f22 it was not the case.Sorry.I will remove my post to not mislead people.

https://www.farming-simulator.com/newsArticle.php?lang=en&country=cz&news_id=318

[Fragile]

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

Subsoilers are faster because you do not need to cultivate a field when using one. It plows and cultivates at the same time, removing a time cost on cultivation requirements.

Isn't plowing a field cultivating it as well?
I think it is. I can seed after plowing. So that means the field that I plowed is cultivated.

[Fragile]

Originally posted by D3st:

Originally posted by AoD_lexandro:

Subsoilers are faster because you do not need to cultivate a field when using one. It plows and cultivates at the same time, removing a time cost on cultivation requirements.

Seems i was wrong anyway but subsoil now generate large rock as well i just checked.In f22 it was not the case.Sorry.I will remove my post to not mislead people.

https://www.farming-simulator.com/newsArticle.php?lang=en&country=cz&news_id=318

That's understable my friend. Hey, I just checked the link you gave me.
It says that subsoilers come with diff speed from 12-15kph.

But in FS25 shop, there's no 15kph subsoiler. I think the dev forgot to put in a faster subsoiler.

I hope they fix this.

Thanks for the link anyway

[illgib]

It count as a cultivator and plow, but it's usually straight and larger that a plow, the biggest one doesn't go over 5 or 6 meters, when a ss can go over 8 meters and more, and usually require less power than a plow.
And can be used in cultivation contracts, but not plowing ones.

Sincerely i completely ditched plows in favor of subsoilers, and with the Create fields mods you're pretty much set.

[Fragile]

Originally posted by illgib:

It count as a cultivator and plow, but it's usually straight and larger that a plow, the biggest one doesn't go over 5 or 6 meters, when a ss can go over 8 meters and more, and usually require less power than a plow.
And can be used in cultivation contracts, but not plowing ones.

Sincerely i completely ditched plows in favor of subsoilers, and with the Create fields mods you're pretty much set.

Unfortunately, we don't have subsoiler higher than 5 meters in the shop. :(

But there's a plower with 6meters.

[illgib]

Originally posted by Fragile:

Originally posted by illgib:

It count as a cultivator and plow, but it's usually straight and larger that a plow, the biggest one doesn't go over 5 or 6 meters, when a ss can go over 8 meters and more, and usually require less power than a plow.
And can be used in cultivation contracts, but not plowing ones.

Sincerely i completely ditched plows in favor of subsoilers, and with the Create fields mods you're pretty much set.

Unfortunately, we don't have subsoiler higher than 5 meters in the shop. :(

But there's a plower with 6meters.

That require 3x the power and it's way longer.

By the way, just try both of the same width and see for yourself.

[Fragile]

Originally posted by illgib:

Originally posted by Fragile:

Unfortunately, we don't have subsoiler higher than 5 meters in the shop. :(

But there's a plower with 6meters.

That require 3x the power and it's way longer.

By the way, just try both of the same width and see for yourself.

Thank you, but it doesn't have to do with the power.

The question is why is subsoiler faster than plowers as to what Ben said?

[Sistermatic™]

Subsoilers are always quicker because they turn much faster. It would only get comparable with a plow, even a larger one, in large fields.

[Fragile]

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

Subsoilers are always quicker because they turn much faster. It would only get comparable with a plow, even a larger one, in large fields.

But in the tutorial on their website.
It says that subsoilers come with the speed of 12-15kph. Faster than plowers. But in the shop, there's no subsoiler with the speed of 15kph.

[LongPath]

Theres a lizard mod for a 9m plow that has no offset but it needs like 300hp+ there is a 6m version of it too at 260hp.

[Sistermatic™]

Originally posted by Fragile:

Originally posted by Sistermatic™:

Subsoilers are always quicker because they turn much faster. It would only get comparable with a plow, even a larger one, in large fields.

But in the tutorial on their website.
It says that subsoilers come with the speed of 12-15kph. Faster than plowers. But in the shop, there's no subsoiler with the speed of 15kph.

Right now, there might not be. Later additions/mods/dlc might add them, but I'm not sure why you're hung up on 12/15. Nobody is saying that the subsoiler is faster THAN a plow in speed terms.

What Ben is saying is the subsoiler is faster than a plow - at digging up the dirt. Which it is.

[Cybertheurgist Holmes]

Originally posted by Fragile:

I asked Ben about potatoes. He said that subsoiling was faster than plowing. But as I look up into the shop and went to subsoilers. There's no subsoiler with the speed higher than 12kph.
all items in the list have 12kph. Same speed as plowers.

So what does Ben mean about subsoiler is much faster than plowing?

It is said because subsoilers can have bigger width han plows (while requiring bigger horse power on tractors) and you don't need to understand and care how plowing and headlands work.


However plow is arguably far superior for those next reasons, but there may be a learning curve on how to use plows:

1) Only plows make the field imune to weed. It will simply never grow during crop growing even if you cultivate or do what ever after plowing, so you will never ever use herbicide or weeder, but this lasts for the one harvest. If you use anything else for cultivation before seeding, you have to use herbicide right after seeding in order to not make it grow at all, otherwise it is reducing overall yield. (Because the weed actualy replaces the crop model, so even if small weed grows up at the first stage and you take it off by weeder or spray it with herbicide that spot will be forever replaced and crop deleted by the weed)

2) All Seeders and planters can seed directly on plowed field.

3) Just turn off rocks - the in game implementation is not even realistic because plows and cultivators just spawn the rocks constantly, no matter if you picked them up previously... it's just annoyance that the only effect of it is that it wears down your tools much faster.
And plow after EVERY harvest, because even if the field doesnt require plowing you do use it to get rid of the weeds for good.

[illgib]

Originally posted by Cybertheurgist Holmes:

2) Seeders and planters with directseeding can seed directly on plowed field.

All seeders can on plowed fields, they are not different from cultivated ones, only a texture and a different color on the map.