An honest review to Giants

[MOONMAN_Au]

I'm a FS fanboy who has religiously played every game in the lineup. In short I don't recommend 25 at this time. All in all the game feature expectations/hopes/hype I had for 25 have only been about 70% met. Giants have gone down the road of so many others where they have released admittedly a pretty but BROKEN and BUGGY HOT PEACE OF GARBAGE. I cant bring myself to give even close to a good review given its release and the BS lack of care and attention Giants has shown not to mention their overbearing reliance on modders to make their game what it should be/is capable of being that it should have been out of the box.

My review broken down:
Positives:
-Ground Deformation is NICE!!

-Graphics are beautiful!! Seeing shadows from cloud and patches of sunlight scoot across the landscape is nice and the volumetric fog is mint. AI workers lights in the paddock looks great and omg the muddy tyres and stuff. Yes some people have said there are graphical issues but i haven't experienced that and my pc is 5 years old.

-Sounds: Yeah they are good... Still sad at no exhaust break/jake break on the trucks.

-GPS: Its a nice touche but negative also below.

-AI Workers are so much better for field work for the most part. They dont miss bits.. Negatives below.


Negatives:
- Launch and bugs: It appears Giants has gone down the road of many others where they have released a game full of bugs that should have been fixed before release. 2 weeks in and no patches to fix them. Examples: want to sell a placeable then re place something else? Na don't bother due to restricted area bug...Ok then I will just cut down trees to create space... ahhh yeah no don't bother same issue. Want to use the hay shed? Na don't use it either unless you want half your bales to be unrecoverable half the time. What about silage? Nope half the time silos are single use only with a decent amount of silage stuck in them. O what about timber? mmm sorry but if you want to sell product from timber mill don't expect to be paid. Fine I'll just do contracts... Sorry but don't bother with those either unless you want to go without payment on the harvesting ones... ugh i'll just get AI to do stuff then... ugh yes and no... I will go into them lower down. What can I do then? REFUND AND SHOW GIANTS THIS IS BS at least until they realise this is BS and fix the issues that should never have been a thing. Most Alpha/Pre Alpha games have less bugs than their over $70aud HOT PIECE OF yes pretty but BUGGY GARBAGE.

-Equipment Variety: Lacking... Yes there is more equipment overall but there is less variety of each type in many cases. Yet again Giants is relying on modders to do their work. Apparently there will be "free" DLC's/Giants mods but they should be added to the base game not released as a mod... Not happy about that. If they decide to be greedy and release them as paid DLC's that will again be hot garbage.

-GPS. Yes its nice but its a cheap rip off of a good mod. Like previous times they see a good mod and release a half as*ed half baked version in the next game. It is feature lacking compared to the 22 GPS Mod and VERY VERY lacking compared to courseplay. Again a base game feature that while an improvement on 22 is sh*t compared the the mod it was ripped from.

-AI workers. Yes they are much better than 22 but like GPS they are a very cheap and crude knock off of 22's courseplay that still cant do more than 1/3 of what it could with ease... Cant use plows without janking themselves, Cant drive along roads half the time, cant work with ai traffic, don't register points sometimes and my BIGGEST GRIPE... they cant be started and continue to complete a half finished field they just go to the start and begin again. Example... if you manually do half a field and want to do something else if you try to use the AI worker they will just redo everything you have done and start the field from the beginning. No more starting them from a point in the field like FS22. Don't be fooled into thinking they are a base game replacement for even 1/4 of courseplay let alone autodrive.

-UI its ugly and not easy to navigate. The menus in fs22 were much Much MUCH easier to navigate comparatively. Want to use a hand tool? navigate to the prices tab and find it and "retrieve it", Want to sell a vehicle yeah thats not in the store technically so there is no more owned tab like 22 it is under finances and you have to know the name of what you want and look through the list. These are just a few examples.

In closing at the current time FS25 has failed to live up to even 70% of my expectations and with the bugs and B*llSH*ttery i would currently describe it as a HOT but admitedly PIECE OF GARBAGE that shoudn't and had the very real potential not to be if Giants actually gave even half a rats @ss.

[subarufanCH]

+1 *sigh* im exactly @ the same point:
LOVE the game. there ARE great improvements to
- graphics (espacially @ night)
- level of detail
BUT im disappointed; mainly because of
lacking small conveyor belt, fonts too small, messy menus >resulting click orgy, cant buy land which is not farmland...*doublesigh*
really hope for fixes !!! best regards

[Stally447]

I have yet to get the game, and my hopes were somewhat high for this game. I'm glad I didnt do a preorder as from the sounds of it I once again would've regretted it. Looking at reviews so many basic QoL features are missing, so many bugs that should've been sniffed out still linger. I to also noticed no updates since release addressing some of the issues raised. Minor graphical updates which from the sounds of it could've and probably should've been in the game years ago. Just seems to be a lazy "new title" with a few minor additions/updates, not to mention the hike in price which I have no idea how they can justify since its virtually the same game. Looks like im either gonna be waiting for a discount or acquire through external sites.

[sendjes]

Originally posted by MOONMAN_Au:

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How many hours did you play the game? I'm asking, as I've seen people complaining after a few hours.

Originally posted by Stally447:

I to also noticed no updates since release addressing some of the issues raised.

This is getting way too old, you might not know this, although it has been said several times in this Forum, FS22 took almost a month before the first patch, also, to sort out bugs, bugs needs to be reported, then replicated, then fixed, then tested, and then, they might be included in upcoming patch. Things don't magically get's fixed.

[dragonsphotoworks]

Originally posted by sendjes:

Originally posted by MOONMAN_Au:

...

How many hours did you play the game? I'm asking, as I've seen people complaining after a few hours.

Originally posted by Stally447:

I to also noticed no updates since release addressing some of the issues raised.

This is getting way too old, you might not know this, although it has been said several times in this Forum, FS22 took almost a month before the first patch, also, to sort out bugs, bugs needs to be reported, then replicated, then fixed, then tested, and then, they might be included in upcoming patch. Things don't magically get's fixed.

Has 4 achievements. 3 on the 13th and 1 on the 14th. and says zero hours played in last 2 weeks. But could be hiding play time. But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

Also lot of his complaints I have not seen myself in game. Other then on occasion i get a bug. Its mostly small things i see. Ai works well most of the time. it does get stuck on roads some times for example.

[Stally447]

Originally posted by sendjes:

Originally posted by MOONMAN_Au:

...

How many hours did you play the game? I'm asking, as I've seen people complaining after a few hours.

Originally posted by Stally447:

I to also noticed no updates since release addressing some of the issues raised.

This is getting way too old, you might not know this, although it has been said several times in this Forum, FS22 took almost a month before the first patch, also, to sort out bugs, bugs needs to be reported, then replicated, then fixed, then tested, and then, they might be included in upcoming patch. Things don't magically get's fixed.

You might not know this, but I don't sit around 24/7 reading discussions I have things to do other then gaming so apologies if I missed something that was said several times. You also don't need to lecture me about games dev, I've had my fair share of years learning. That being said, plenty of games with smaller teams have resolved bugs quicker then this team of what 100 odd people

[subarufanCH]

Originally posted by dragonsphotoworks:

But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

hm, others reported they may be buggy ? received them, while never did something for them (e.g. cotton) ? b/r

[MAup]

I agree with OP on all points.
Want to add however.

Fysics, there is no weigh to machines, no consequences for a 90 degree turn in 50km/h, it just feels so off..
Best example, filling a wagon with water, no physical changes to tire pressure or ground deformation scale, its the same as if its empty. The machine you are pulling the wagon with however just looses power, thats it.

I was hoping for a little more realism with the ground deformation such as the tires actually be able to sink down into the mud, but no, it just lowers the ground where your tires rolls..
There is no getting stuck in a field that has seen severe rain just as before.

The carrot picking machine, where to start...
This one is far the worst machine ever introduced and the fact that there is no alternative to this.. You HAVE to set and AI to drive it and you next to it to empty the cargo at all times, it does not contain storage by itself.. and the AI just tells me something is in the way or cant find the field when trying to use it at all..

For now, those missions should not require us to deliver the goods untill this stuff is fixed

[DumpsterFire]

Originally posted by dragonsphotoworks:

Has 4 achievements. 3 on the 13th and 1 on the 14th. and says zero hours played in last 2 weeks. But could be hiding play time. But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

Youve looked at his profile, and if you go to his review it says he has "49.8 hrs on record"

[dragonsphotoworks]

Originally posted by subarufanCH:

Originally posted by dragonsphotoworks:

But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

hm, others reported they may be buggy ? received them, while never did something for them (e.g. cotton) ? b/r

Ah missed that. Good point then.

Originally posted by DumpsterFire:

Originally posted by dragonsphotoworks:

Has 4 achievements. 3 on the 13th and 1 on the 14th. and says zero hours played in last 2 weeks. But could be hiding play time. But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

Youve looked at his profile, and if you go to his review it says he has "49.8 hrs on record"

Ah didnt think about that again another good point.

Not saying what he says invalid. Just didnt see the hours when i looked out of curiousity.

Now many of his points valid i agree. Though personally many of the bugs people report I have not seen or had. Doesnt mean not there... just i have not seen them. And lot of complaints i seen have turned out to be user error. "No not all just some".

Originally posted by MAup:

I agree with OP on all points.
Want to add however.

Fysics, there is no weigh to machines, no consequences for a 90 degree turn in 50km/h, it just feels so off..
Best example, filling a wagon with water, no physical changes to tire pressure or ground deformation scale, its the same as if its empty. The machine you are pulling the wagon with however just looses power, thats it.

I was hoping for a little more realism with the ground deformation such as the tires actually be able to sink down into the mud, but no, it just lowers the ground where your tires rolls..
There is no getting stuck in a field that has seen severe rain just as before.

The carrot picking machine, where to start...
This one is far the worst machine ever introduced and the fact that there is no alternative to this.. You HAVE to set and AI to drive it and you next to it to empty the cargo at all times, it does not contain storage by itself.. and the AI just tells me something is in the way or cant find the field when trying to use it at all..

For now, those missions should not require us to deliver the goods untill this stuff is fixed

All this i can agree with though.

Except the forst line. I had a tractor flip on its side when drove to fast with a load lol

[MOONMAN_Au]

Originally posted by sendjes:

Originally posted by MOONMAN_Au:

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How many hours did you play the game? I'm asking, as I've seen people complaining after a few hours.

Originally posted by Stally447:

I to also noticed no updates since release addressing some of the issues raised.

This is getting way too old, you might not know this, although it has been said several times in this Forum, FS22 took almost a month before the first patch, also, to sort out bugs, bugs needs to be reported, then replicated, then fixed, then tested, and then, they might be included in upcoming patch. Things don't magically get's fixed.

50 hours.

Time to fix bugs isn't the issue it is that a full price game shouldn't have these issues on release. Digital games are resulting in devs not giving a hoot and releasing broken and buggy games instead of ones that work out of the box.

[MOONMAN_Au]

Originally posted by dragonsphotoworks:

Originally posted by sendjes:

How many hours did you play the game? I'm asking, as I've seen people complaining after a few hours.


This is getting way too old, you might not know this, although it has been said several times in this Forum, FS22 took almost a month before the first patch, also, to sort out bugs, bugs needs to be reported, then replicated, then fixed, then tested, and then, they might be included in upcoming patch. Things don't magically get's fixed.

Has 4 achievements. 3 on the 13th and 1 on the 14th. and says zero hours played in last 2 weeks. But could be hiding play time. But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

Also lot of his complaints I have not seen myself in game. Other then on occasion i get a bug. Its mostly small things i see. Ai works well most of the time. it does get stuck on roads some times for example.

you do you boo. 50 hours and a large group of mates playing on several different coop/servers but like I said you do you champ.

[dragonsphotoworks]

I have to agree. Now some bugs and such are to be expected. Mostly how runs on different systems. But stuff like the bale pallet storage issue shouldnt of. Lot of companies now just releasing early and patching later. Dont get me started on the whole EA problem as well lol But noticed lot of games leave patches to modders or they send them out later. Or simply rely on modders for most of the content. Not all do it but some do it seems. "not saying happened here just that does happen."

[dragonsphotoworks]

Originally posted by MOONMAN_Au:

Originally posted by dragonsphotoworks:

Has 4 achievements. 3 on the 13th and 1 on the 14th. and says zero hours played in last 2 weeks. But could be hiding play time. But with achievements only showing on 2 days... I would guess didnt play long.

Also lot of his complaints I have not seen myself in game. Other then on occasion i get a bug. Its mostly small things i see. Ai works well most of the time. it does get stuck on roads some times for example.

you do you boo. 50 hours and a large group of mates playing on several different coop/servers but like I said you do you champ.

Wasnt attacking you... As i said I havent seen them. I didnt say they not happening. Just that i am not getting many of them is all.

[Playaffe]

Game needs a delete lol

[rikwes66]

in terms of bugs it isn't THAT bad ( there's plenty of games being released in far worse condition ) . However : we know Giants usually waits a while before releasing a BIG patch to collect as many details as possible beforehand ( they don't do small patch every week as some other studios ) . I'd expect first patch around 1st of December at the earliest .In the mean time I'm still having fun so no harm done .Would I recommend new FS players to buy this game now ? Probably not, would tell them to hold of until patch is released and some more mods are available . Could be a nice Christmas present ....