Nerf Killer Bee perhaps?

[Krasher]

Fast through corners, leaving any other car behind. Great acceleration. Great top speed. Can smash into armored vehicles while taking surprisingly small amounts of damage. You can find a Killer Bee in the top 3 regularly, but mention a nerf and people look at you as if you've kipnapped the queen. Good racers don't choose the car that they like the most anymore, they choose the fastest car both on straights and through corners, giving them a clear advantage.

[Purple44]

But half the time the guys using Killerbee ( and other smaller cars ) get pitted in the first lap and have to spent rest of race catching up. They deserve get some 1st place finishes having to do with the big cars knocking them around!!!

[Krasher]

Originally posted by Purple44:

But half the time the guys using Killerbee ( and other smaller cars ) get pitted in the first lap and have to spent rest of race catching up. They deserve get some 1st place finishes having to do with the big cars knocking them around!!!

I have been on servers where people were rather friendly drivers, scratching paint and bumps and what not but still showing respect to the vehicle next to them. I have been driving like this as well and i guess that favors the faster lighter vehicles such as the killer bee. But you make a valid point, in the less respectful servers i suppose they would get knocked around much more.

[Teho]

Yeah, the Killerbee is a risk/reward car. It'll do well if left alone, but it's also a cardboard box on wheels. It does take a surprising amount of damage to wreck it, but it goes flying at the slightest touch. It's also one of the more difficult cars to drive on uneven roads, so it takes real skill to drive it well. It's good as it is.

[IndygoEEI]

LOL....

No.

Things a rolling coffin. 2 or 3 good hits will end you.

[Krasher]

Originally posted by IndygoEEI:

LOL....

No.

Things a rolling coffin. 2 or 3 good hits will end you.

That's true for a lot of cars that are nowhere near as fast as the killer bee. I expected people to defend this car but when it has only one downside, yet still dominates, a nerf can be suggested.

[Hyperion Biga]

It's also one if not hardest C class car to handle, especially when souped up. Maybe not evident if you use assists

Speakin of, forcing assists off should be server-side setting option

[Laivasse]

The full range of each car's strengths and weaknesses only comes into play if you race with Realistic dmg on, with assists off and without restrictions on ramming. Assists gloss over the specific challenges in each car's handling, while Normal dmg or behavioral restrictions allow you to mostly disregard the armour system and the base body strength of each car. Weaker cars also suffer more when DNF players don't quit the server (which erases their wreck as a hazard - something I'd like to see changed more than any car characteristics). You can see that the Killerbees suffer terribly in AI events, precisely because all the wrecks are there to stay.

Server operators also inadvertently favour faster, weaker cars when they select shorter events, which most seem to do, to prevent DNFs from quitting while they wait.

If there's rebalancing to be done, and I hope there isn't, I'd rather it was done keeping all the games systems, modes and race options in mind.

[👽H€L¡XX®]

Since any player that wants the Killerbee can buy it, upgrade it and use it in this game, how does this vehicle qualify as a "clear advantage".
A "clear advantage" would be a car that you (or other players) can't obtain, and that some other players can have.
I have to wonder sometimes where logic leaves, facts are irrelevent, and an opinion (that frankly makes absolutely NO sense) is all that is left here to ponder.
I read this twice, then I left.
I read it again and decided to comment on this because players can use whatever vehicle they want to use in this game, no matter what someone says regarding that vehicle.

Someone needs to research what really constitutes a "clear advantage".
This thread is about as clear as mud.

[Krasher]

Originally posted by 👽H€L¡XX👽:

Since any player that wants the Killerbee can buy it, upgrade it and use it in this game, how does this vehicle qualify as a "clear advantage".
A "clear advantage" would be a car that you (or other players) can't obtain, and that some other players can have.
I have to wonder sometimes where logic leaves, facts are irrelevent, and an opinion (that frankly makes absolutely NO sense) is all that is left here to ponder.
I read this twice, then I left.
I read it again and decided to comment on this because players can use whatever vehicle they want to use in this game, no matter what someone says regarding that vehicle.

Someone needs to research what really constitutes a "clear advantage".
This thread is about as clear as mud.

Written by a killer bee driver no doubt. Don't worry pal, they won't nerf it. Your opinion is appreciated of course, and even though i explained the issue quite clearly, you are still a bit confused, so i will try to be even more clear, like water.

[Krasher]

Originally posted by 👽H€L¡XX👽:

Since any player that wants the Killerbee can buy it, upgrade it and use it in this game, how does this vehicle qualify as a "clear advantage".
A "clear advantage" would be a car that you (or other players) can't obtain, and that some other players can have.
I have to wonder sometimes where logic leaves, facts are irrelevent, and an opinion (that frankly makes absolutely NO sense) is all that is left here to ponder.
I read this twice, then I left.
I read it again and decided to comment on this because players can use whatever vehicle they want to use in this game, no matter what someone says regarding that vehicle.

Someone needs to research what really constitutes a "clear advantage".
This thread is about as clear as mud.

I started this topic to read what people had to say about the subject, whether they disagree or otherwise, i don't care, i might learn something from them. You seem to only complain about the ''clear advantage'' part of the post, so i shall explain and be clear as water.

I like competitive racing, when i see the killer bee finish in the top 3 regularly, and winning races regularly, then imo there is something wrong with the balance.

Originally posted by my name is john:

Good racers don't choose the car that they like the most anymore, they choose the fastest car both on straights and through corners, giving them a clear advantage

When i talk about good racers, i am talking about people who are good with any car, but do they choose any car? No, they choose the killer bee. Because>

Fast through corners, leaving any other car behind. Great acceleration. Great top speed. Can smash into armored vehicles while taking surprisingly small amounts of damage.

That is what gives them an advantage over anyone not using the killer bee, it is a better car compared to most other cars. Good drivers + best car = regular wins. This is clear like water i hope.

I understand it is not unusual to see good racers taking the best car to maximize their chances of winning. I'm only asking a question here, is it too good?

[Dat Zorro]

I think that Wreckfest suffers from the same problem like the Ubisoft-Racing games: Simply not enough cars for a class, so people will just pick the best for it. The fact that tuning-options are pretty limited, doesn't help. So nerf the Killerbee and players will just use the next one.
That said, I would request a nerf for the Rammer in class B, as it does seem to have a way better acceleration than its stats on paper show. But it's pointless in the end, because then another car will dominate the leaderboards.

Of course, everyone can just use a Killerbee as well. But let's be honest, where's the fun in that and then you could also ask if Bugbear shouldn't simply get rid of all other cars if everyone only drives the Killerbee.

Personally I use cars I like (and doesn't look like pure garbage) and will only get the better ones out if I can't beat my opponent with my current car.
Maybe don't nerf, but allow admins to ban certain cars?

[Krasher]

Originally posted by UAZ-469:

I think that Wreckfest suffers from the same problem like the Ubisoft-Racing games: Simply not enough cars for a class, so people will just pick the best for it. The fact that tuning-options are pretty limited, doesn't help. So nerf the Killerbee and players will just use the next one.
That said, I would request a nerf for the Rammer in class B, as it does seem to have a way better acceleration than its stats on paper show. But it's pointless in the end, because then another car will dominate the leaderboards.

Of course, everyone can just use a Killerbee as well. But let's be honest, where's the fun in that and then you could also ask if Bugbear shouldn't simply get rid of all other cars if everyone only drives the Killerbee.

Personally I use cars I like (and doesn't look like pure garbage) and will only get the better ones out if I can't beat my opponent with my current car.

I do agree with the class B rammer being a little too fast on the acceleration, the stats do not show this advantage at all. But you're right, nerf one car and the next best car will take over its spot, so i'm not expecting anything to be nerfed, also considering that the beta is far behind us.

Your english is really good for being german ^^ Respect!

[👽H€L¡XX®]

Players use the damn car they like. They upgade the way they want to.

It could be that they win because they are more skilled than you, period.

It could be that they are more experienced than you, period.

Whining about a vehicle in this game being a "clear advantage" is ridiculous.

What is clear is a drop in your IQ, frankly.

Get over yourself, john.

This is the supidest thread in Wreckfest so far.
That is really saying something.
There are so many completely inane threads to choose from.....


Congratulations !

[Krasher]

Originally posted by 👽H€L¡XX👽:

Players use the damn car they like. They upgade the way they want to.

It could be that they win because they are more skilled than you, period.

It could be that they are more experienced than you, period.

Whining about a vehicle in this game being a "clear advantage" is ridiculous.

What is clear is a drop in your IQ, frankly.

Get over yourself, john.

This is the supidest thread in Wreckfest so far.
That is really saying something.
There are so many completely inane threads to choose from.....


Congratulations !

:Pooop:

Says the killer bee driver, but don't worry pal, nothing will be nerfed, you can continue winning with ease. And again, your opinion is appreciated, but i expected a response that was a little more ehrm... adult perhaps? Oh well, i can't expect that from everyone i suppose.

[Laivasse]

Originally posted by UAZ-469:

I think that Wreckfest suffers from the same problem like the Ubisoft-Racing games: Simply not enough cars for a class, so people will just pick the best for it. The fact that tuning-options are pretty limited, doesn't help. So nerf the Killerbee and players will just use the next one.

I really don't understand this criticism as it pertains to Wreckfest, since the upgrades system means that any car can be made to qualify for any class. How can there be 'simply not enough cars for a class' when every car can race in every class, by definition?

My own favourite class C car at the moment is a downtuned Speedemon with lots of armour. That's an A class car off the shelf. As a heavy C class, it has terrible acceleration, so I always lose 5-6 spots from the starting grid. However it is excellent at staying in high RPMs, so I rarely even need to drop below 4th gear around the rest of the course. It's also heavy enough (nearly 2100kg) that you can ram side-by-side, on a straight, and tip cars over as a result - from a midsize chassis!

All the strengths of the car I'm enjoying are things that people on Normal dmg/no ramming servers don't have to think about. The weaknesses of a Killerbee aren't apparent just from looking at a lap times WR leaderboard and seeing it overrepresented. Its weaknesses often aren't apparent at all, depending on how people decide to set up their races and servers. But on the Realistic dmg/no rules servers I use, the last Killerbee I stole 1st from lost to me because he wiped out on the final straight, too weak to survive a wreck in his way.

If there's a homogeneity in car choices atm I'd speculate that it's because the meta is relatively undeveloped. There's a lack of imagination in both player car loadouts and server race options (ie. Realistic dmg servers are already a minority and you don't see many servers opting for endurance style races either).