Why so much Raiden hate?

[WARistheANSW3R]

We finally have a DLC that adds good, usable cars and not the standard looks cool drives like crap DLCs they have previously provided, up until this DLC all others have been trashy (they nerfed Dragslayer to being total junk, the Caddy is only good for Demo, and Bugzilla being the best choice for the Hellride track) And all the other DLC cars have been useless since day 1, with novelty cars or cars that just couldn't compete.



Now all Classes have had a long accepted "meta" in terms of which cars are considered the "best" "fastest"...C Class for example the Roadslayer, Rammer and Killerbee have widely been accepted as the best, or at least the most commonly used (with a few exceptions here and there with certain drivers or tracks)....and there is no heavy complaints from the player base about that?! But they introduce a car that is just as good, prolly even just a bit better than the accepted meta cars and everyone gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it? Why? " Cause it's stuck behind a $3 pay wall"


My final point about the Raiden is...."look at the leaderboards, its taking over"...sure there are a lot of Raidens in the top 100 on the tracks....what ppl fail to realize tho is, look at the the player names, its the same ppl that were on top of the charts before the DLC.

So last week "Racer123" was kicking your @$$ in a Slayer, this week hes kicking your @$$ with a Raiden...what does it matter, Racer123 is obviously better than most, its the driver not the car.

So basically the Devs can make boring, not usable DLC cars and we complain, they make a good DLC and a fast car.....and we still complain

[Von Zardoz]

Don’t forget that enthusiasts invest in pedals and a steeringwheel to gear and clutch accurately, shaving a few seconds off the lap times . That’s a 100-500€ paywall and no one seem to complain about that haha.

[Purple44]

The main reason there hate, is because DLC cars do not suppose to be faster than the stock Wreckfest cars all players can race with.

[WARistheANSW3R]

Originally posted by Purple44:

The main reason there hate, is because DLC cars do not suppose to be faster than the stock Wreckfest cars all players can race with.

So then what should the DLC offer? Reskins of whats already available? Cars that are just a notch or two below what is available through the base game, to keep all things fair?

It just feels like a losing situation for the Dev team....DLC with novelty or sub-par cars, community complains and feels the DLC offers nothing in return for their $$

DLC with a car ,that can when tuned and driven properly, and avoids contact with the other heavier and normally armored cars, can very regularly get up front and win and post hot laps...again the community complains.

The Killerbee use to be dominate when driven properly, especially in C Class, i drove it for quite a long time and could consistently do very well. Downside was, it was lightweight, so when ppl tried to take me out, it could and would easily end in a DNF. Also, even with the car being available in game, to everyone, the community still complained about it and eventually got it nerfed.

My point is, if a car is deemed OP by the community, it doesnt matter if its included in the base game or part of a DLC...the community will complain and the car will be nerfed, and everytime a car is nerfed, it never seems to be a usable car afterwards, its always nerfed into oblivion instead of being brough down to what ever standards the community has set....

And then we go right back to rooms full of the same handful of cars...yay more class rooms full of Rammers, Slayers

[Purple44]

Ya it a tough job for Bugbear Devs to keep the cars balance. Fast players going find the best car for track they racing on. And that fine when that a stock WF car. Not so fine in many players eyes if have to pay extra for the fastest car on the track.

I did not buy season pass in hoping I get a fast car. Would not do me any good online, I not good enough get 1st in most races. But I love the custom tires and skeleton roof decoration. :)

And to get to race some unique cars like the Outlaw, Wingman, Buggy and now the Vandal. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9LSGAFp-ig

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1996778822

[👽H€L¡XX®]

That Raiden is a pay to win car from all indications.

They nerfed other cars for the same reason earlier in this games history.
Vehicle balance isn't that difficult to achieve if balance is the goal.

[SandwichFace]

Nerfing a car doesn't automatically mean make it crap. That is something I don't want, at least. The Raiden just needs to be equally as quick, that is all.

So far I've been pretty happy with the DLC, because it's avoided being pay-to-win. People shouldn't be buying DLC in the first place hoping to get an edge on others imo.

[CunkFeatures]

Originally posted by WARistheANSW3R:

So last week "Racer123" was kicking your @$$ in a Slayer, this week hes kicking your @$$ with a Raiden...what does it matter, Racer123 is obviously better than most, its the driver not the car.

Agree, well put.

People are just snowflakes and think EVERY game has some sorta pay to win that is against them because they are no good at games themselves. Gotta blame someone or something.
See....

Originally posted by 👽𝓗𝓔𝓵𝓲𝓧𝓧:

That Raiden is a pay to win car from all indications.

... I mean this guy only started playing in October last year, and wasn't even on Steam when this game started EA.

I swear people forget (or have yet to learn) how to play this game. Weak car, hit it, cripple it, win.

[👽H€L¡XX®]

Originally posted by tomtalk24:

Originally posted by WARistheANSW3R:

So last week "Racer123" was kicking your @$$ in a Slayer, this week hes kicking your @$$ with a Raiden...what does it matter, Racer123 is obviously better than most, its the driver not the car.

Agree, well put.

People are just snowflakes and think EVERY game has some sorta pay to win that is against them because they are no good at games themselves. Gotta blame someone or something.
See....

Originally posted by 👽𝓗𝓔𝓵𝓲𝓧𝓧:

That Raiden is a pay to win car from all indications.

... I mean this guy only started playing in October last year, and wasn't even on Steam when this game started EA.

I swear people forget (or have yet to learn) how to play this game. Weak car, hit it, cripple it, win.

I have owned this game since June of 2015, Mr. Know it all.
This game was in beta when I bought it , and it was in EA.
Just because the release that added achievements shows the Oct. 2019 date doesn't prove a thing.
I have screenshots and video in my profile from WAY back, hot shot.
You didn't bother to look there though, did ya ?
I seriously doubt you could tell me very much about Wreckfest that I don't damn well know.
I swear, some of you self entitled jerks should know when to shut up.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=483508652

You seem to spend a fair amount of time attempting to insult players.
I know another Steam player that does a bit of that also.
Were you sent by a certain"Snake" ?
Give him my regards if you were.
LEL

[Road_Maniac]

ill be honest but imma go a half off-topic on this one because i think there is not only a car to be nerfed but also a car in this pack should be buffed and my opinion what you should go for multiplayer without going way too op

ok we mostly all and i always hated the raiden RS for how op it is, it doesn't even need a single 164 class C or maxing out the whole engine to win with a great tune, i have never used the raiden RS in multiplayer, most of the users that want to win races mostly remove their rollcage for light weight which makes the strength to 2.0 to 1.5 which makes it the weakest modifiable car ingame but right now i think the devs has done that for more users to buy the season pass or even the pack only because how op the car is and now the raiden RS is everywhere in multiplayer and so?
they are really unbeatable because how they are agile, not even a lightweight killerbee S or even a well tuned roadslayer could take its position, users love the design, the features and how op it is.

but what about the other 2 cars of the pack? well the vandal is okay used in multiplayer its not that great in multiplayer but what about the rebelrat? it sucks alot because of that weak engine and weak strength for a full-size car, they even buffed the class A engine which makes it to ~274 points to 304 points with default armorings which totally sucks compared to the speedbird when it comes close with the strenght the specs should atleast come close to a hornet which you can make the street engine to 167 points class B like the sport engine with only the default rollcage but the rebelrat? no it only comes at 161 points and without 163 points which i mean atleast the hornet doesn't make as much power for a class A for 274 points but i think the devs mocks us for using the rebelrat when actually its pretty much the main car of the pack and i mean like come on at the end nobody uses the rebelrat apart me and a few people that finds it good for the customisation so why cannot we have just our dlc that performs almost close as a speedbird, i clearly think the devs should buff the street engine to go atleast to 168 points like the sport engine default power like for the hornet as i said, so why didn't also came out with removable bumpers and not considered that no bumpers due of the flat bumpers this is just boring thats all i want a car to buffed that is so underrated that is just a poor reincarnation of the speedbird, thats all i want a dlc that respects balance and the specs of a full-size cars and not with underpowered engines as always for them but of course the devs could not realize or just being for the money to create a underrated based on group b rally car that ends up too op for the public.

in my opinion, go original in multiplayer use something that nobody uses that performs decent if you have the season pass or that you can purchase without being paid use like the gremlin, bulldog, hotshot, outlaw, hornet, buggy that are not that much used or never used in multiplayer just be atleast original in your selection to just have some fun, do not use only the raiden RS, the killerbee S and the sunrise super because you think you're faster and cooler than them, not at all and i think ill be clear that multiplayer should be atleast improved in features like banning cars if the server owner wants so it prevents users to use cars that nobody wants to get lost or wrecked by so that no one gets hated each others, here i explained pretty much a bit what i think of the dlc in a negative way, hope that there is atleast a update in the future that gets what we want and not making this game pay to win as the devs wanted but after all they only want money from users just at the end but reminder that only weight and horsepower affects the car but not handling which makes the game completely unbalanced for certain cars so here thats my whole opinion on the dlc with this half unnecessery long text hope you all learned a bit out of this.

[FloatingLeaf]

how about instead of season pass and slow dripping content make a complete game? other wise early access?

[alegiuvado[ita]]

eila, hi for me I think it is more a factor of experience, it is a comfortable car the ridenma if you do not know the track well and how to behave on it you will not be successful, I DO NOT DEFINE MY EXPERT, but I have satisfaction in competing and sometimes win with the killerpig, so one who drives the sunrise raiden etc. will think that it is not fast enough? the good ones have technique and regardless of the car they always know top of the charts, then more important to analyze those who are in a ditch or against the wall and they materialize in an unnatural way in front of you with +2 seconds, therefore, in addition to the experience if you want to compete, a simple joystick is not enough, I think so, good continuation to all of you see us on the track!

[CunkFeatures]

Just an fyi. Had 10 races today, tapped the Raiden just after start in each race causing them to lose control as its hard to control. Only one race did a Raiden win (310), with me in second with my Dominator (265).

Nerf the Raiden and you just have a slower stronger car. Leave it as it is and you have a lucky 1st if they get past everyone, much like the Killer Bee/Super Sunrise.

Sadly some are just cry babies. Much like the Raiden users who get knocked out and cant win.

[Sir Magnetron | AKA cdkeynl]

Raiden is a very light car that can spin out really fast.. so thats an extra difficulty level for the driver. But if you get that it drives really nice.. even on the bumpy tracks you keep your car so level it's nice. The van however is a waste of time.. it's so wobbly that it ends up on its side everytime.. and that other car is just not on par with the top 10 cars.

[Harry Nurpplez]

Originally posted by Electronic Throbbing:

how about instead of season pass and slow dripping content make a complete game? other wise early access?

It was already a complete game as of summer of 18. Do you not understand what DLC is?

[JohnnyG]

Originally posted by WARistheANSW3R:

We finally have a DLC that adds good, usable cars and not the standard looks cool drives like crap DLCs they have previously provided, up until this DLC all others have been trashy (they nerfed Dragslayer to being total junk, the Caddy is only good for Demo, and Bugzilla being the best choice for the Hellride track) And all the other DLC cars have been useless since day 1, with novelty cars or cars that just couldn't compete.



Now all Classes have had a long accepted "meta" in terms of which cars are considered the "best" "fastest"...C Class for example the Roadslayer, Rammer and Killerbee have widely been accepted as the best, or at least the most commonly used (with a few exceptions here and there with certain drivers or tracks)....and there is no heavy complaints from the player base about that?! But they introduce a car that is just as good, prolly even just a bit better than the accepted meta cars and everyone gets ♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it? Why? " Cause it's stuck behind a $3 pay wall"


My final point about the Raiden is...."look at the leaderboards, its taking over"...sure there are a lot of Raidens in the top 100 on the tracks....what ppl fail to realize tho is, look at the the player names, its the same ppl that were on top of the charts before the DLC.

So last week "Racer123" was kicking your @$$ in a Slayer, this week hes kicking your @$$ with a Raiden...what does it matter, Racer123 is obviously better than most, its the driver not the car.

So basically the Devs can make boring, not usable DLC cars and we complain, they make a good DLC and a fast car.....and we still complain

So to summarise, you have bought a pay-to-win car, finally won some races and don't want to admit it wasn't down to your driving skill.