Is it good idea to add 'Nitro' into the game, like in Flatout series?

[Agent DSVR]

Let me explain why this is important:
- Balance. Right now, there is no need to collide/wreck other cars. You are just losing time and chances to win. I loved flatout possibility of 'comebacks'. Even if I'm in the last place with help of nitro I have ability to win.
- Fun. The game is good simulator but awful arcade.

Upd. I'm asking about your opinion about this feature, argumentation is also welcomed. Also please check previous pages to avoid the same discussions. Thx.

[jasonharris2]

they said no to nitro
they are going a new way away from flat out

[Agent DSVR]

Hm, strange point of view from bugbear. Game is copying cool features from flatout but nitro does not fit ))

[jasonharris2]

Originally posted by Jewish reptile renegade:

Hm, strange point of view from bugbear. Game is copying cool features from flatout but nitro does not fit ))

they losted the rights to flat out
so they can't make it the same or they risk being sued

[Engicop]

Let the devs make authentic derby games for once. Flatout still holds up well nowadays.

[Agent DSVR]

Originally posted by jasonharris2:

so they can't make it the same or they risk being sued

ah, now it makes more sense, but there are a lot of games using the same mechanics, actually all racing games have a lot of common.

Originally posted by TheEngiGuy:

Let the devs make authentic derby games for once

I can not forbid developers to make their game)) I just wondering if it's good idea and if there are any like minds.

[👽H€L¡XX®]

This game was never intended to be like the NFS or Flatout series of nitrous boosted arcade racers.
During development the subject of nitrous for this games physics was downvoted for a lot of reasons, by a lot of players that were involved in early access for a long time. There was a long series of discussions about several features that this game has, and some features didn't make it.
Nitrous didn't make it.

The main reason, in my opinion, would be the necessity of improper use of the Nitrous blowing the engine, as it does in the real world.
In the real world, if boost is misused or overused, the engine is destroyed.
Damage modeling is a big feature of this game, the "simcade" handling, etc, is an important part of this game. This game is a departure from the "Flatout" arcade style of racing game.

Nitrous, as it is is used in most driving/racing games, is just basically a cheat. Winning a race at the very end by boosting past an opponent is a textbook NFS (name the game) move, and no-one seemed to want it in this game.

I'm sure that someone could add a boost cheat, call it "nitro", and add it to their game.
But at the end of the day, it would just be a cheat.
Nothing more.

[Agent DSVR]

@👽𝓗𝓔𝓵𝓲𝓧𝓧👽 thx for your response, I also bought this game in 2013, but it looks like abandoned for a long time, so unfortunately I've missed discussion of this feature.

But I don't understand why you think that nitro is cheating. I think it's pretty balanced, to charge nitro you need to ram opponents and using of it should damage the engine. So you need to drive very well to get it and use it wisely not to destroy your car. Does it make sense?

[UFO]

Considering that the current damage model (especially on realistic) seriously punishes you for hammering on your opponents, exactly how would you model it to work properly? It's an unrealistic feature for a game trying to be a bit more serious. Besides, who the hell runs nitrous or boost on a derby/banger car on gravel? All you'll do is spin the tires and put your car in a wall.
Who the hell runs nitrous on anything except drag cars, come to think of it? Time attack guys maybe, but not exactly a standard issue item on the roundy-rounds.
IMHO, learn to drive or play something more arcadey. This stuff was left out for a reason.

[Agent DSVR]

Originally posted by UFO:

exactly how would you model it to work properly?

I already explained in previous post, hammering gives damage to your car and some amount of nitro. Using nitro just damage the engine.
Yes, it's not realistic, but it adds balance to the game because starting at the end of the grid is not the same as from the first position. Сollisions are inevitable and you're losing chances to win, only if leaders will make some mistakes you have chance to finish in top 3.
Regarding realism, in real life, there is qualification before the race, to set starting position.

Also, I noticed that most players aren't playing with 'simulator' settings, they just want some fun. Having an additional game mode (with nitro) is not a bad idea from my point of view, especially considering that there are many fans of the 'Flatout' series here.

[Purple44]

How would get your nitro? In Flatout 1, most nitro was gotten by hitting objects around the track. The objects had "real" world weight to them, so had be careful on how you hit objects. Had learn to rub object.

In Flatout 2, Bugbear added jumps to help get nitro and made objects more lighter. With 8 players, players starting up front got to get the easy nitro first. With 24 players, there no easy nitro left for the guys in the back of starting GRID!

Also in Flatout 2, a lot of players online were using a nitro trainer cheat to have unlimited nitro. So it force host to set nitro to 2x or no nitro at all, then kick players that showed they were using nitro.

Bugbear did say they did not want do a "Flatout 3". They wanted do their dream game without a publisher telling them they could not do that idea, with some Flatout spirit in the game.

The Flatout spirit I see in Wreckfest is it has the Folk racing from Flatout 1 and the old muscle cars and the rough racing of Flatout. :)

Bugbear been trying make a more realistic racing game compared to Flatout, adding nitro to Wreckfest would make it a more of an arcade racer, then the simcade racer Wrfeckfest is now. It tough to find the sweet spot for a simcade, I think Bugbear has done it with Wreckfest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNy18OdivY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw9HBbsiChU

[Agent DSVR]

Originally posted by Purple44:

How would get your nitro?

I've posted before, by hitting/bumping other cars. Right now you are getting only points for this.

Originally posted by Purple44:

Also in Flatout 2, a lot of players online were using a nitro trainer cheat to have unlimited nitro. So it force host to set nitro to 2x or no nitro at all, then kick players that showed they were using nitro.

So if you can't fix feature, just cut off it)))

I don't see any reasons not to have 'realistic simulator' mode and 'fun arcade' mode... The game will benefit from it, it will attract more gamers.

[2112]

No.

[ファザ UCOK (TAKASHIMURAH)]

i think no

[👽H€L¡XXv²]

Is there a reason to have another wall of banter about a "feature" that was not used in this game?
Nitrous was discussed, then dismissed, and the game is in full release.
OP, do you think that you need to save this game?
Do you really think that that so-called "Nitro" ( which, by the way, is NOT the correct terminology. It is NOX or Nitrous) will save Wreckfest from oblivion?
There are quite a few things this game needs far more than a cheap add-on boost hack.
Many players want RV mirrors, or a horn, or for the game to have servers that don't require a ton of mods to join. They want splitscreen. REAL features.
There are plenty of arcade NFS style racing games with that seemingly (to you) all important "Nitro" in them.
There was/is no need to add nitrous to this game.

[Agent DSVR]

Originally posted by 𝒯✵𝑅𝓔𝒳:

OP, do you think that you need to save this game?
Do you really think that that so-called "Nitro" ( which, by the way, is NOT the correct terminology. It is NOX or Nitrous) will save Wreckfest from oblivion?

Relax dude, check name topic name please, it's just discussion of my thoughts. I do not force anyone and convince, I'm just curious about players opinion.

Originally posted by 𝒯✵𝑅𝓔𝒳:

REAL features

"Nitro" (I don't care about terminology, in any case, you understand what I mean) is REAL feature, already explained above why.

P.S. I'm afraid I have touched wreckfest fans on a raw spot, asking about "nitro" feature)))