The game is too expensive - look at the online lobby numbers it's a joke.

[Zach Novak]

Obviously the cash grab for the Devs is the console release, it's easy to say I could've got the game for $5 easly access I personally think the price is fine for me... but simple math knows if it was half the price and you sell 5 times the copies its a net gain.

Also I wish i was a Beta tester for the game, how has it been is a 4 year developement and there is no vehicle horn yet to toot when you pass people or hold it in on a nice ram... or the ability to modify your vechicle inbetween races in the post race/pre-race lobby, maybe to add some Armor, or remove Armor for a track, or decrease the cars Rating to match the specific lobby you just entered.

They're my only complaints with the game I'm having a blast. Weird time to go on holidays as the full release hits steam...

[Purple44]

Bugbear been going on vacation in July since NCG\Wreckfest got early access page on Steam in 2014. It what the Fins do, it required by law to take a vacation.

Online numbers still looking good 2 months after final version release. :)

http://www.lay-zmattress.com/flatout2/purple44/Next%20Car%20Game%202018/online-players-250-Aug12-2018.jpg

[👽H€L¡XXv²]

1- There are no horns on race cars.
In this game online in M/P lobbies if there were horns most players would have to mute the sound, because idiots would blow their horns constantly. I would much rather have a rear view mirror so I could see who hit me in the first corner.

2- There are plenty of active servers with players in this game. I have had zero problems finding lobbies that had 16-24 players in them.

3- The devs worked tirelessly to get this game to full release. It isn't perfect, but the small issues it does have aren't a deal breaker. They deserved a break . They will be back and they will fix the things that are broken.

4- This game is a bargain compared to most games , and NO other racing game is like this one. This game is totally unique. Wreckfest is well worth the price of admission.

[Hyperion Biga]

Whatta hell you talking about. The multiplayer is very active. Are you one of those idiots comparing racing games to FPS shooters and MMOs, in terms of playercount?

There isn't a single Racing game in Steamcharts Top 100. Highest racing games

130. Assetto Corsa
165. F1 2017
223. Project CARS 2
229. Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
310. The Crew 2
353. Wreckfest

So, Wreckfest is 6th most popular racing game in Steam. Keep in mind others have been in many big sales, 50% even 70-80% sales. All others except Crew 2 and Wreckfest.

Wreckfest is considered overpriced by many, and those people are going to hop in on first sale.

Crew 2 has lost players far quicker than Wreckfest. Crew 2 had peak of 6,498 due to their big marketing campaign. Wreckfest only 2,986. Currently both have about 900 peaks on weekdays.

https://steamcharts.com/app/228380
https://steamcharts.com/app/646910

Also, once Bugbear comes from vacation and releases first new patch, people with technical issues will come back. There is at least 1 new car coming (possibly way more content, they haven't clarified their plans), people always come back on updates.

Also, the game is indeed unique.

Good luck finding a demolition racing game that can compete with Wreckfest. You can't find it for 10€ or 100€. Wreckfest is one of kind. And there's AAA games with worse graphics.

[(ADORA)ble 🌈👊]

Player count has nothing to do with game value or even the ability to enjoy MP. There are enough full servers so that most people will be able to find a game that suits them relatively quickly.

[Orb]

I cant help loving this for all my hate. It wasn' what it could have been but at the same time there's nothing else like it as said

I hope that Bugbear sticks with the idea and makes something that surpasses this personally.

Taking into account the player info they have seen for the last 4+ years

[Orb]

Said my account doesn't allow posts. That's a new one I'm seeing if it says it again here.

Nope shows both. Weird.

[Zach Novak]

Messaggio originale di ＮＯ ＳＫＩＬＬ:

1- There are no horns on race cars.
In this game online in M/P lobbies if there were horns most players would have to mute the sound, because idiots would blow their horns constantly. I would much rather have a rear view mirror so I could see who hit me in the first corner.

2- There are plenty of active servers with players in this game. I have had zero problems finding lobbies that had 16-24 players in them.

3- The devs worked tirelessly to get this game to full release. It isn't perfect, but the small issues it does have aren't a deal breaker. They deserved a break . They will be back and they will fix the things that are broken.

4- This game is a bargain compared to most games , and NO other racing game is like this one. This game is totally unique. Wreckfest is well worth the price of admission.

1- Suggesting people would hold them is viable, but unlikely if you've played any other racing games ever made. +1 on the rear vision mirror, i consisntantly flick back camera and it works fine - I'd be more interested in a Live track map as I (along with all of my friends) struggled greatly not knowing what track ,or the version of the track - personally im fine now but it makes for a learning curb some arent willing to do.

2- There is 1 active server at night for me, sometimes another is half full... I get on during peak U.S times and there's 5-6 servers full. Sure there are a lot of servers, but I'm not seeing the player count i'd want to select a version of the game im keen to play in a competitive environemnt.

3- I understand the effort the devs have put into the game, and this is my favourite game right now. Just hope they can continue there progression leading up to and beyond console release.

4- I justified the $$$ easy, it was worth it to me. In saying that it stopped the game being main stream. Hopefully a discount after console release will bring in lots of new players for online lobbies.

[(ADORA)ble 🌈👊]

Regarding #4, I don't think this game ever could have been mainstream. The entire racing genera is already a niche market (though as far as niche markets go it's rather large). According to Statista.com the racing genera only accounts for 6% of the gaming market. And within the racing genera, realistic banger racing is a very small niche. A lower price tag might have increased the player base by a small amount but I doubt it would have made much of a difference financially.

[Purple44]

Ya financially, Bugbear made most of the sales they going get on the PC side, Bugbear sold over 300,000 copies before final release. Over half those sales were for $15 or $20 Steam sales I'm thinking.

[Hyperion Biga]

Well people should really consider how niche whole racing genre is. Assetto Corsa being most played racing game in Steam?

That game is very hardcore. You basically need a wheel to play it. Very realistic, very punishing, very dry... practically no career mode to speak of. No "progression" or whatever. No customization. To most people = boring. And someone new to driving sims, probably can't keep up against the easiest AI. Multiplayer race can last 40 minutes, one mistake and you're done. With just gamepad, IMO you shouldn't even bother, almost everyone playing it has a wheel.

Game like that being top racing game of Steam? (It's 5 years old btw)

Truth is... majority doesn't care about racing, at least not more than few weeks. They want to shoot stuff up, manage resources, whatever. Or game like GTA5 around it, which isn't really racing anymore.

There's only handful of genres that are popular. Racing is not among them.. Just see Steamcharts.

[Zach Novak]

I never used the words mainstream but it would've been nice haha

Overall I really enjoy the game, just wish it had a higher player count online. In the OCE region there is 1 server full most nights, with 1 or 2 others with a couple people in them... I guess being a Wreck-fest game with the minimum rulings on trolls might deter new players too.

[Dat Zorro]

Messaggio originale di Hyperion Biga:

There's only handful of genres that are popular. Racing is not among them.. Just see Steamcharts.

I think, racing games are much more popular on consoles, see Gran Turismo and Forza.

Of course, being popular also means that it attracts the attention of all kinds of players you likely don't want to have in a race.

[Werecat101]

Messaggio originale di UAZ-469:

Messaggio originale di Hyperion Biga:

There's only handful of genres that are popular. Racing is not among them.. Just see Steamcharts.

I think, racing games are much more popular on consoles, see Gran Turismo and Forza.

Of course, being popular also means that it attracts the attention of all kinds of players you likely don't want to have in a race.

Go look at any games place and you will look at your 2 mentioned games amongst what 200 non racing games. so not really more of a market, its still a low percentage of the total games.

[Orb]

Look at gran torino, oh that's something else, if you wanna see someone overcome their predjudice while laughing at the old timers racism before he gets enlightened

I'm gonna see if i can get me some fish heads, before making friends with them. Online. Hate me if you must for that ha.

[Werecat101]

Messaggio originale di Orb:

Look at gran torino, oh that's something else, if you wanna see someone overcome their predjudice while laughing at the old timers racism before he gets enlightened

I'm gonna see if i can get me some fish heads, before making friends with them. Online. Hate me if you must for that ha.

what are you talking about?