LMG's hip firing??

[player 2]

I'm so tired of playing in games with guys running around with LMG's (particularly the MG42) just mowing anything down in their path with 2 shot kills and a sniper like accuracy. Surely they should make these like a squad weapon or bipod deployment only.
Currently playing a game where about 14 of the enemy have full modded MG42's and its not fun. They might as well have a full auto cannon

[Reaver]

Eviscerator の投稿を引用：

Reaver の投稿を引用：

Heavier and more recoil? Sorry but you have stated too much wrong for me to believe anything you say.

The mg42 weighs more even without ammo and attachments like a bipod that would all be heavier on the mg42. But more important than weight is weight distribution. The mg42 is significantly longer with a lot more of it's weight farther forward. Just look at where the ammo feeds into a mg42 compared to a m60. The m60 was designed to have the weight as far back as possible so it could be handled as well as possible. The mg42 wasn't designed for shoulder fire it was designed to be deployed on a tripod/bipod or to be mounted.

As far as recoil the mg42 fires a more powerful round at a much higher rate of fire. The m60 uses a similar but newer action. However there is one important factor in recoil that you forgot about and thats weight and weight distribution. The mg42 being far more front heavy would help reduce recoil but it also happens to be the biggest reason why nobody could shoulder it remotely steady.

Maybe it's possible to shoulder a m60 but not very reasonably. However it's rediculous to say that you could shoulder steady a very heavy 4ft lmg and fire it much more effectively than hipshooting.

I don't really care what you believe, but you're wrong. The original model M-60 that I used was of 1976 manufacture and weighed more than an MG42 by over 2 lbs. They were constructed from solid steel machined components and not the lighter alloy machined components that came with the later models of the late 1980's and early 1990's before being replaced by the M-240 Infantry MG.

Additionally, while the MG42 fires a round of slightly higher caliber, that does not translate into the round being more powerful.

While your point about weight distribution was solid, we were talking about recoil, not muzzle climb.

I don't think anyone said anything about firing any lmg from the shoulder more effectively than firing it assault-style. Can you point out where this was said? I certainly didn't say it.

You have your facts wrong again. The original m60 weighed about 23lbs and the mg42 weighed over 25lbs. The light verson of the m60 the m60e3 did weigh under 19lbs but the original was still lighter by more than 2lbs. Clearly not heavier by 2lbs. The difference would be a lot more if you were to factor the weight difference of 50 rounds of 7.92x57 to 7.62x51 nato.

Except it does translate into the round being more powerful. Caliber doesn't always translate into more energy but in this case it does. 7.92x57 used in ww2 had about 3700 joules of energy whereas 7.62x51 typically has around 3300 joules of energy and maybe 3500 joules on the high end.

Eviscerator の投稿を引用：

BushElito の投稿を引用：

Hip fire? Sure
It's shoulder firing that's dumb.

Why?? I can shoulder-fire an M-60 MG, and it's heavier and has greater recoil than the MG42 that spawned it. I did the same thing with the MG3 when I took my German Weapons Qualification Test. The MG3 is the 42's successor in case you didn't know.

You may not be specifically saying that shouldering would be more effective but you are saying that it's not dumb. If shoulder fire is no more effective than hip fire than shoulder fire is stupid. Especially when in this game it means being able to out range any gun other than a bolt action.

[Kenlek]

GamerEdeks の投稿を引用：

Personally, I think MG42s are really not as bad, they are some accuracy but intense recoil. Have YOU ever hip fired an LMG and hit the enemy 15 metres infront of you?

Yes. Just about allt he time. And it is far to easy. With this you never need another weapon. Short range - Check, medium range - check, long range single fire - check. This is one of the worst implemented weapons. If fired from hip it should have extreme recoil and very bad accuracy.

[Kenlek]

Eviscerator の投稿を引用：

Why should they be bipod use only? I could run around with an M-60 MG and fire it in CQB from the hip with an assault sling 28 years ago, why shouldn't I be able to do the same with its father in a video game?

Because the version from WW2 was alot heavier and of less qualirty. A regular soldier would not be able to run around like this and use it form the hip. And a trong soldier would tire real soon and not be able to run at all.

[Bobby Digital™]

Kenlek の投稿を引用：

Eviscerator の投稿を引用：

Why should they be bipod use only? I could run around with an M-60 MG and fire it in CQB from the hip with an assault sling 28 years ago, why shouldn't I be able to do the same with its father in a video game?

Because the version from WW2 was alot heavier and of less qualirty. A regular soldier would not be able to run around like this and use it form the hip. And a trong soldier would tire real soon and not be able to run at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6l7sCoWX4

they had soldiers running around with lmg's hip firing, it was and still is a thing irl.

[rjmassive]

IF ENEMY MORE THEN 5 METERS AWAY FROM YOU HIP FIRE FROM MG IS ♥♥♥♥ YOU WILL NEVER HIT HIM

[draper]

when useing lmgs you make no coin during battles with lmgs, pros and cons

[Maybe]

Get good at the game instead of complaining about it on steam ?

[Kenlek]

Bobby Digital™ の投稿を引用：

Kenlek の投稿を引用：

Because the version from WW2 was alot heavier and of less qualirty. A regular soldier would not be able to run around like this and use it form the hip. And a trong soldier would tire real soon and not be able to run at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6l7sCoWX4

they had soldiers running around with lmg's hip firing, it was and still is a thing irl.

Yes.. It happened. I know. But it was NOT a common thing. And they did not run around like that much. Just when really needed. Have you tried to hold a MG? I have. It is not something you can move around as easy as a rifle. Not even close.

[Kenlek]

¿Maybe? の投稿を引用：

Get good at the game instead of complaining about it on steam ?

Get good? You must reread the whole tread. It is not about beeing good or bad when you are insta killed by 2 bullets from a MG spraying your way from 0-50 meters. Its a powerfull weapon used wrong in this game.

[Kenlek]

DRZ rjmassive の投稿を引用：

IF ENEMY MORE THEN 5 METERS AWAY FROM YOU HIP FIRE FROM MG IS ♥♥♥♥ YOU WILL NEVER HIT HIM

??? Really??? I have no problem whatsoever to be killed or kill with the MG42. And thats from 0-50 meters. No other weapon (except sniper 1 shoot from close range) feel so misplaced in this game.

[Taiji]

MG42 doesn't fire single shots, BAR and MG34 does.

Also, it takes at least 3 body shots to kill someone with MG42, not 2.

And by the way, I can do pretty much as well with the M1919, MP40, M2, DP28, M1903, K98, PPS, etc. etc. (including the semi auto rifles) as with the MG42.

If you're saying you think LMGs are OP you just lack skills with the other guns.

[Kenlek]

Taiji の投稿を引用：

MG42 doesn't fire single shots, BAR and MG34 does.

Also, it takes at least 3 body shots to kill someone with MG42, not 2.

And by the way, I can do pretty much as well with the M1919, MP40, M2, DP28, M1903, K98, PPS, etc. etc. (including the semi auto rifles) as with the MG42.

If you're saying you think LMGs are OP you just lack skills with the other guns.

"If you're saying you think LMGs are OP you just lack skills with the other guns."

Not saying it is OP - as in Overpowered. But is is a weapon that has to much of a "luck" factor. making it good in any hands. It require less skill to kill because it does not have the bad hip fire accuracy it should have .. that is all. And that is why we see most German Inf's carry them nowadays. and i can kill good with most weapons. But with the MG it does not take much skill.

[Bobby Digital™]

Kenlek の投稿を引用：

Yes.. It happened. I know. But it was NOT a common thing. And they did not run around like that much. Just when really needed. Have you tried to hold a MG? I have. It is not something you can move around as easy as a rifle. Not even close.

if you compare how many soldiers in general had an lmg, you are correct with saying it wasn't that common.

they didn't issue many sodiers the weapons so it couldn't be that common. i don't want to sound like i don't agree, a whole team with mostly mg42s is something that can not be beat. it should have insane muzzle climb, recoil and atrocious hip fire accuracy.

and to the guy who said it is a 3 shot to the chest, mods will make it a 2 shot unless they are using heavy set.

[Arsnicthegreat]

Bobby Digital™ の投稿を引用：

Kenlek の投稿を引用：

Yes.. It happened. I know. But it was NOT a common thing. And they did not run around like that much. Just when really needed. Have you tried to hold a MG? I have. It is not something you can move around as easy as a rifle. Not even close.

if you compare how many soldiers in general had an lmg, you are correct with saying it wasn't that common.

they didn't issue many sodiers the weapons so it couldn't be that common. i don't want to sound like i don't agree, a whole team with mostly mg42s is something that can not be beat. it should have insane muzzle climb, recoil and atrocious hip fire accuracy.

and to the guy who said it is a 3 shot to the chest, mods will make it a 2 shot unless they are using heavy set.

This comment just proves you've never modded an MG 42.
The MG 42 CANNOT be modded to a 2hk, BUT the 1919 CAN.
Seriously, try it.
Oh wait, you've never actually modded the thing.
I'll be nice and provide a screenshot. Here's an MG 42 with all damage-inceasing modifications.
Notice how it cannot reach 50 damage.
http://imgur.com/a/6r1kx

[Bobby Digital™]

fair enough, no reason to be so angry :)