AMD Radeon R7 in A10-7850K APU (Kaveri) + 8GB 2400mhz

[The_Recon2000]

Im planning on getting ultra cheap gaming PC. Can this pc run the game max settings?

[xSOSxHawkens]

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

The Advanced Warfare is extremely un optimized for PC port and i will never go run it so is there any other game that i cant run with this APU? No.

There are plenty of games you wont be able to run (or at least not well) on an A10 dude.

Dont live in some fantasy land. The A10 is a decent LOW END gaming option for a CHEAP build. It is NOT a true gaming system in and of its self. As I explained, it will do decent with 2013 and ealier, will do OK with 2014, and will strugle with anything late 2014 and beyond, all assuming for 720P medium spec or 1080P low spec.

The only hope you might have going forward is that AMD has their APU (ie GPU and CPU) tech in all three next gen consoles, and so its what devs will be optimising for. This *might* allow you to remain in the low spec area for future games, asuming they are optimised enough.

Either way its a LOW END sollution.

[The_Recon2000]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

The Advanced Warfare is extremely un optimized for PC port and i will never go run it so is there any other game that i cant run with this APU? No.

There are plenty of games you wont be able to run (or at least not well) on an A10 dude.

Dont live in some fantasy land. The A10 is a decent LOW END gaming option for a CHEAP build. It is NOT a true gaming system in and of its self. As I explained, it will do decent with 2013 and ealier, will do OK with 2014, and will strugle with anything late 2014 and beyond, all assuming for 720P medium spec or 1080P low spec.

The only hope you might have going forward is that AMD has their APU (ie GPU and CPU) tech in all three next gen consoles, and so its what devs will be optimising for. This *might* allow you to remain in the low spec area for future games, asuming they are optimised enough.

Either way its a LOW END sollution.

it can run BF4 max settings with 35 fps atleast and without recording in 720p. Im not going to run any of the next gen games (only GTA V maybe) and this thing reach the system requirements for it.

[Stevo]

Tak eredeti hozzászólása:

This game runs pretty badly on a AMD CPU. Get Intel CPU and be sure to get a GTX card, you will have more stable fps there. if you are planning to get this pc be prepared to regret it as you will have massive problems with fps in this game

if the max you can get is the 750 ti get it then, you will be able to have around 50-100 fps on max settings on this game. on low setting around 150 fps

I am running FX6300 0/c 4.6ghz with 750 ti black edition - runs perfectly fine here !!

[The_Recon2000]

steven.sharples eredeti hozzászólása:

Tak eredeti hozzászólása:

This game runs pretty badly on a AMD CPU. Get Intel CPU and be sure to get a GTX card, you will have more stable fps there. if you are planning to get this pc be prepared to regret it as you will have massive problems with fps in this game

if the max you can get is the 750 ti get it then, you will be able to have around 50-100 fps on max settings on this game. on low setting around 150 fps

I am running FX6300 0/c 4.6ghz with 750 ti black edition - runs perfectly fine here !!

How the Rome 2 runs and what settings?

[Doodruid]

MARSHALL eredeti hozzászólása:

how much $$ can you throw at it?

im using my tax refund once i get the thing (WOO) to get a computer.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/NQB24D

thats the current "encarnation" of what im planning.

if you dont like what you see or you cant fling out that kind of paper click the category of the part (Case, Power Supply, etc.) and look through the list till you modify it to fit yourself.

also if you tech savy people on here have suggestions im still open to them. this build in the link is at the maximum of my "budget" though. i initially had two R9 290s set in and a power supply with more juice but i had to drop the cost a bit so i scaled back to the two 270x's and subsequently power supply with less juice since i didnt need as much.

right now im playing with 8fps so id be very happy with 30fps TBH.


and no im not very good with this sh!t at all.

Youll wanna get rid of that ♥♥♥♥♥♥ phantek cpu cooler and get a cheaper and better Coolermaster hyper 212 evo cooler. also for afew bucks more you can upgrade that i5 to an i5 4590 or for alittle bit more then that you can get the best i5 currently on the market for 220$ the i5 4690k also get rid of the crossfire 270x's and stick with the best single card GPU you can afford. also protip if you go with the 290x DONT get one with a reference cooler. get one with a manufacturer specific cooler like twin frozr or vapor X it will run leagues cooler then a reference card and will have much less sound output from the fans.. I currently have a 290x with a reference cooler and it WILL run stupidly hot like in the 100 degrees celcuis range if you dont turn the fan speed manually up to 100% with msi afterburner. but if you turn the fan speed up and have good airflow in your case youll safely run around 75 celcius at full load but the fan is INCREDIBLY loud at 100% speed. its so loud i can game with a headset on and audio at full volume and still hear it somewhat.

[xSOSxHawkens]

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

There are plenty of games you wont be able to run (or at least not well) on an A10 dude.

Dont live in some fantasy land. The A10 is a decent LOW END gaming option for a CHEAP build. It is NOT a true gaming system in and of its self. As I explained, it will do decent with 2013 and ealier, will do OK with 2014, and will strugle with anything late 2014 and beyond, all assuming for 720P medium spec or 1080P low spec.

The only hope you might have going forward is that AMD has their APU (ie GPU and CPU) tech in all three next gen consoles, and so its what devs will be optimising for. This *might* allow you to remain in the low spec area for future games, asuming they are optimised enough.

Either way its a LOW END sollution.

it can run BF4 max settings with 35 fps atleast and without recording in 720p. Im not going to run any of the next gen games (only GTA V maybe) and this thing reach the system requirements for it.

Kid, you are dreaming.

You need to quit being so defensive and listen to what I am saying. Im not an Intel Fanboy, im not bashing on AMD, I am being realistic.

What you think that APU can do and what it actually cant do are two very different things.


Since you seem to be so headstong that simple words wont do justice here is a little PROOF...


AMD A10 w/R7 Graphics:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2191394

My Rig (an actual mid range gaming PC):

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4063715

The scores compared:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2191394/fs/4063715





NOW


You will notice that though I am on an older Athlon II x4 CPU, its overclock puts it neck for neck with the Quad Core CPU found in the A10. The big differnace in scores is from the A10's LACK OF GPU POWER.

When compared against others like it (ie integrated graphics) the GPU cores on that APU are awesome, but when compared to a lower end gaming card or better (HD7760 or up), the GPU on that APU is crap.

Want to know a game that struggles on my system, a system more that TWICE the power of that silly APU? BF4...

Want to know a game that my sysyem barely meets the minimum for, and that the APU has NO CHANCE at?... GTA-V....

For gods sake, you think you will stand any chance at all with gta? It wants a minimum of an HD4870. I used to own one of those, it has 800 graphics compute cores.... Want to know how many of those compute cores are on your APU?... 512....

If Rockstar wants a minimum of 800 compute cores @ ~900Mhz with 1GB dedicated Vram (stock 4870) what type of crappy frame rates do you think you will get using 512 compute cores @ 720Mhz with shared system Ram?....




Understand I am not saying the A10 is bad. Its good for what it is, a LOW END SOLUTION.

[Captain England]

I had the R9 270x and sent it back to shop......got the Nvidia palit 960 gtx and it is afar superior card - it runs everything super smooth and most my games now on ultra unless you go above HD resolution which I dont as I am happy with 1920 x 1080 which on ultra is absolutely awsome for the average gamer. anyway check out dinopc if your uk based they have good gaming rigs..but u can get cheap gaming pcs that will run most current games on medium settings for like £500 nowadays.

[xSOSxHawkens]

Django eredeti hozzászólása:

I had the R9 270x and sent it back to shop......got the Nvidia palit 960 gtx and it is afar superior card - it runs everything super smooth and most my games now on ultra unless you go above HD resolution which I dont as I am happy with 1920 x 1080 which on ultra is absolutely awsome for the average gamer. anyway check out dinopc if your uk based they have good gaming rigs..but u can get cheap gaming pcs that will run most current games on medium settings for like £500 nowadays.

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I had a 5th rate card that didnt perform like a 1st rate card. I waited for the competitor to relaese their next gen cards, then returned my 5th rate card and went and got a 3rd rate next gen card to replace my 5th rate last gen card. Now I get better performance.



^^^who would have thunk it^^^



The R7-270 is NOT compareable at all to the 960 from nvidia. The 960 is a generation newer AND two steps up in the quality bracket.

[The_Recon2000]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

it can run BF4 max settings with 35 fps atleast and without recording in 720p. Im not going to run any of the next gen games (only GTA V maybe) and this thing reach the system requirements for it.

Kid, you are dreaming.

You need to quit being so defensive and listen to what I am saying. Im not an Intel Fanboy, im not bashing on AMD, I am being realistic.

What you think that APU can do and what it actually cant do are two very different things.


Since you seem to be so headstong that simple words wont do justice here is a little PROOF...


AMD A10 w/R7 Graphics:

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2191394

My Rig (an actual mid range gaming PC):

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/4063715

The scores compared:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2191394/fs/4063715





NOW


You will notice that though I am on an older Athlon II x4 CPU, its overclock puts it neck for neck with the Quad Core CPU found in the A10. The big differnace in scores is from the A10's LACK OF GPU POWER.

When compared against others like it (ie integrated graphics) the GPU cores on that APU are awesome, but when compared to a lower end gaming card or better (HD7760 or up), the GPU on that APU is crap.

Want to know a game that struggles on my system, a system more that TWICE the power of that silly APU? BF4...

Want to know a game that my sysyem barely meets the minimum for, and that the APU has NO CHANCE at?... GTA-V....

For gods sake, you think you will stand any chance at all with gta? It wants a minimum of an HD4870. I used to own one of those, it has 800 graphics compute cores.... Want to know how many of those compute cores are on your APU?... 512....

If Rockstar wants a minimum of 800 compute cores @ ~900Mhz with 1GB dedicated Vram (stock 4870) what type of crappy frame rates do you think you will get using 512 compute cores @ 720Mhz with shared system Ram?....




Understand I am not saying the A10 is bad. Its good for what it is, a LOW END SOLUTION.

That im kind of dreaming maybe true but what explains that im kid? Im just brainwashed by Game-Debate. I found the A10 7850k very impressive "packed" CPU with a GPU that has similar performance to a deticated graphics card such as GT 740. The performance shown in the benchmark had low speed ram compared to what im looking to buy and integrated graphics use system ram so there will be a huge difference in 2400 mhz ram. Anyway i do not expect some good settings in GTA V so for that im thinking now getting a GTX 750ti 2GB with a AMD cpu since they dosent have integrated graphics as Intel do and i can save up money, heard that most of the games dosent use more than 4 cores so i will be getting a 4-core AMD CPU. Which is better AMD Athlon X4 860K or the AMD FX-4350?

[xSOSxHawkens]

The APU can put out decent work, but its still a little brother comapred to the big boys.

As to the differance in RAM, it wont make that much of a differance. That score was one of the top 3Dmark scores in the world for that APU with DDR3-1600 ram. 2400 wont help you much at all, as you are limited by your gpu cores too.

If you are getting a new CPU quad is the new minimum, but realistically your should get a 6core or better.

All three next-gen consoles use 8 core CPU's with low clock speed. This will force game devs to start coding more multi-threaded, as they cannot rely on a fast single core any longer. This will mean that PC games will start using more and more cores. Dual-Cores are the new single core, quads are the new duals.

The 750ti is a good card, but I would run an AMD card, just becuase I genraly dont like nvidia. They have had somepretty bad issues in the past, and are currently in a big controversy of false advertising their GTX-970, and removing overclocking on their drivers.

[The_Recon2000]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

The APU can put out decent work, but its still a little brother comapred to the big boys.

As to the differance in RAM, it wont make that much of a differance. That score was one of the top 3Dmark scores in the world for that APU with DDR3-1600 ram. 2400 wont help you much at all, as you are limited by your gpu cores too.

If you are getting a new CPU quad is the new minimum, but realistically your should get a 6core or better.

All three next-gen consoles use 8 core CPU's with low clock speed. This will force game devs to start coding more multi-threaded, as they cannot rely on a fast single core any longer. This will mean that PC games will start using more and more cores. Dual-Cores are the new single core, quads are the new duals.

The 750ti is a good card, but I would run an AMD card, just becuase I genraly dont like nvidia. They have had somepretty bad issues in the past, and are currently in a big controversy of false advertising their GTX-970, and removing overclocking on their drivers.

Im going with the Nvidia since i will not get any APU to setup dual graphics with the integrated graphics & a AMD GPU. The Nvidia has very very less issues in games and a very good example is Heroes & Generals. Can you answer my last question? BTW i meant physical cores not threads.

[xSOSxHawkens]

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

The APU can put out decent work, but its still a little brother comapred to the big boys.

As to the differance in RAM, it wont make that much of a differance. That score was one of the top 3Dmark scores in the world for that APU with DDR3-1600 ram. 2400 wont help you much at all, as you are limited by your gpu cores too.

If you are getting a new CPU quad is the new minimum, but realistically your should get a 6core or better.

All three next-gen consoles use 8 core CPU's with low clock speed. This will force game devs to start coding more multi-threaded, as they cannot rely on a fast single core any longer. This will mean that PC games will start using more and more cores. Dual-Cores are the new single core, quads are the new duals.

The 750ti is a good card, but I would run an AMD card, just becuase I genraly dont like nvidia. They have had somepretty bad issues in the past, and are currently in a big controversy of false advertising their GTX-970, and removing overclocking on their drivers.

Im going with the Nvidia since i will not get any APU to setup dual graphics with the integrated graphics & a AMD GPU. The Nvidia has very very less issues in games and a very good example is Heroes & Generals. Can you answer my last question? BTW i meant physical cores not threads.

For pysical cores or threads you want to have a minimum of 6 for a future thinking PC. If all you plan to run is what is already out, 4 will be fine. If you plan on running anything that will come in the future 6 will be much better, 8 preffered.

If looking at AMD cpu's go for the 6 core or better, if looking at Intel a quad with hyperthreading or better.

As to the GPU stuff...

Its pretty much a myth now days about Nvidia being "better for games". Back when it was Nvidia vs ATi this was more true, as ATi was bad about drivers. But once AMD bought ATi their driver support became MUCH more solid and their product lines more standardised.

Now days they go back and forth on who it top dog for performance. IMHO AMD is the better company, but that comes from my personal experiance with having two Nvidia cards die on my becuase of Nvidia (one had a manufatures defect, replaced twice, the other got killed by a driver update that turned off the fans).

Overall, I just think AMD is a better company. Nvidia has consistantly done bad things historically (false advertising, using subpar materials when they knew better, etc). This is even evident now with their 970 mess :(

[The_Recon2000]

xSOSxHawkens eredeti hozzászólása:

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

Im going with the Nvidia since i will not get any APU to setup dual graphics with the integrated graphics & a AMD GPU. The Nvidia has very very less issues in games and a very good example is Heroes & Generals. Can you answer my last question? BTW i meant physical cores not threads.

For pysical cores or threads you want to have a minimum of 6 for a future thinking PC. If all you plan to run is what is already out, 4 will be fine. If you plan on running anything that will come in the future 6 will be much better, 8 preffered.

If looking at AMD cpu's go for the 6 core or better, if looking at Intel a quad with hyperthreading or better.

As to the GPU stuff...

Its pretty much a myth now days about Nvidia being "better for games". Back when it was Nvidia vs ATi this was more true, as ATi was bad about drivers. But once AMD bought ATi their driver support became MUCH more solid and their product lines more standardised.

Now days they go back and forth on who it top dog for performance. IMHO AMD is the better company, but that comes from my personal experiance with having two Nvidia cards die on my becuase of Nvidia (one had a manufatures defect, replaced twice, the other got killed by a driver update that turned off the fans).

Overall, I just think AMD is a better company. Nvidia has consistantly done bad things historically (false advertising, using subpar materials when they knew better, etc). This is even evident now with their 970 mess :(

Sure but even the games now like FC4 have enchaned graphics for Nvidia + there isnt any game that isnt optimised for Nvidia and what do you think about Heroes and Generals AMD vs Nvidia ofc Nvidia wins. My question is which CPU will give me better framerates the AMD Athlon X4 860K or the AMD FX-4350? (I guess the FX-4350 since i can upgrade it to AMD FX-8350 right?)

[xSOSxHawkens]

The_Recon2000 eredeti hozzászólása:

Sure but even the games now like FC4 have enchaned graphics for Nvidia + there isnt any game that isnt optimised for Nvidia and what do you think about Heroes and Generals AMD vs Nvidia ofc Nvidia wins. My question is which CPU will give me better framerates the AMD Athlon X4 860K or the AMD FX-4350? (I guess the FX-4350 since i can upgrade it to AMD FX-8350 right?)

ugh....

You are getting tricked by the advertising again...

Just beucse a game says Nvida at the start does NOT mean they will perform better than on an AMD part...

http://www.techspot.com/review/917-far-cry-4-benchmarks/page6.html

AMD R9-280x (third rate card) beats the GTX-780 (first rate card at time of publication) in Farcry 4...

And both those CPU's will perform abou the same, but neither will cut it going forward. You are better off with the FX line though, as you put it you can upgrade it to an 8 core cpu down the line.



Also about HnG on AMD vs Nvidia, it has NO issues with AMD at all, and performance is comaprable either way. I run HnG all the time on an AMD HD7870, my experaince is about identical to a friend running a 780 from nvidia, and we both get lag spikes at the sime times.

[DelroyMonjo]

Internecine AMD fanboy catfight!
AMD AMD Athlon II X4 645 hasn't been a mid-level gamer since 2011.
IGP CPU's have NEVER been a gaming solution!