So what happens to the gold I currently have in H&G when the game shuts down?

[HVA_HeadBusta]

Simple question. I have gold that I purchased with real world funds currently in the game. When the game shuts down does that get transferred to H&G 2, do I get some sort of monetary refund, or does that value behind the gold that I spent real money on just disappear?

[The cursed Jäger]

Most likely gone, no transfer, no refund what-ever.

[Baba Bomba]

Gone in smoke ofcourse, same as the money i,ve spend in the current game to buy upgrades weapons verhicles , tanks etc.
So i won,t pay voor a new possible...starter game.
It,s like asking my employer to give me ac couple of thousand buck so i can drive a new car, But i,m not sure if i ever buy that car or keep worling for him :-)

[Shidhed]

It has less value than Venezuela's currency.

244,800 old Venezuelan bolivars is equal to one USD.

[SimranZenov]

As they said, spend your gold now "anyone with gold to spare can make their final purchases effective immediately" - TLM

It won't be transferred. It's unlikely HnG 2 will be made anyway...

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by HVA_HeadBusta:

So what happens to the gold I currently have in H&G when the game shuts down?

Simple question. I have gold that I purchased with real world funds currently in the game. When the game shuts down does that get transferred to H&G 2, do I get some sort of monetary refund, or does that value behind the gold that I spent real money on just disappear?

The same thing that happens with anything else you "buy" on Steam... it goes away.

I see you have Arma3... you don't really think any of the DLCs for Amra3 will transfer over to Arma4 do you? Nothing for Arma2 transfered over to Arma3...

No... anything on Steam is temporary... even the games themselves aren't "purchased" but "leased / rented" by the money you and everyone else spends here... it's not real things, only digits in cyberspace.

[SEXTON HAVER]

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

Originally posted by HVA_HeadBusta:

So what happens to the gold I currently have in H&G when the game shuts down?

Simple question. I have gold that I purchased with real world funds currently in the game. When the game shuts down does that get transferred to H&G 2, do I get some sort of monetary refund, or does that value behind the gold that I spent real money on just disappear?

The same thing that happens with anything else you "buy" on Steam... it goes away.

I see you have Arma3... you don't really think any of the DLCs for Amra3 will transfer over to Arma4 do you? Nothing for Arma2 transfered over to Arma3...

No... anything on Steam is temporary... even the games themselves aren't "purchased" but "leased / rented" by the money you and everyone else spends here... it's not real things, only digits in cyberspace.

There is a major difference between H and G and arma 2.

can you still play arma 2 today?
vs
can you still play H and G in a few days?

I think logically speaking there is a major failing in that ideal.
Something like a TF2 hat would be a better idea for this system as yes, If TF2 item servers were to fully shut down then all that you ever had is gone.
But can you still play TF2 without all that? yes.

Heroes and Generals is fully shutting down which is a major difference to something like ARMA 2.

Let's take something that you can't even get on steam anymore:
FNAF World. People who got it? can still download, play, and enjoy it.

The idea "Something you buy on steam is rented" can be a rather failed statement as it depends on the company who is running the item, I'm sure Heroes and Generals could be offered to the players to rent and run servers of their own with some edits, hell even some old dead games are trying to be brought back by fans for them to be enjoyed for longer.

With respect, -Sewer Miner.

[Pork Chop]

Well the H&G time and money spent has certainly taught me a lesson. They will not get anything from me ever again and it changes somewhat of how I view games now.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Sewer miner:

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

The same thing that happens with anything else you "buy" on Steam... it goes away.

I see you have Arma3... you don't really think any of the DLCs for Amra3 will transfer over to Arma4 do you? Nothing for Arma2 transfered over to Arma3...

No... anything on Steam is temporary... even the games themselves aren't "purchased" but "leased / rented" by the money you and everyone else spends here... it's not real things, only digits in cyberspace.

There is a major difference between H and G and arma 2.

can you still play arma 2 today?
vs
can you still play H and G in a few days?

I think logically speaking there is a major failing in that ideal.
Something like a TF2 hat would be a better idea for this system as yes, If TF2 item servers were to fully shut down then all that you ever had is gone.
But can you still play TF2 without all that? yes.

Heroes and Generals is fully shutting down which is a major difference to something like ARMA 2.

Let's take something that you can't even get on steam anymore:
FNAF World. People who got it? can still download, play, and enjoy it.

The idea "Something you buy on steam is rented" can be a rather failed statement as it depends on the company who is running the item, I'm sure Heroes and Generals could be offered to the players to rent and run servers of their own with some edits, hell even some old dead games are trying to be brought back by fans for them to be enjoyed for longer.

With respect, -Sewer Miner.

That depends what you call "play"

Arma2 is basically a MMO... it's main feature was to play against other players. So unless you're talking about making H&G "First Encounter" only... no, you can't really "play" Arma2

There are now 3 types of "options" on Arma2

1. Play alone... just you and an empty map.
2. Play with one or two other people... that you don't play with because you can't find them.
3. Play with five other players... one owner and his four friends that have an impenetrable base, tanks, helicopters, and modded weapons with unlimited ammo... if "play" is die by them ever time you spawn in.

Otherwise 95% of the other servers are empty but AI that might or might not work because of the lack of maintenance on the game... not only by the Developers that helped with a last "hotfix" in 2021.. but also not by most of the player base because there's only 200 players left and that's at "peak" playing... some hours there's less then 50 players scattered over dozens of servers so good luck finding those 50 people...

Those 200 people left are the Whales that put too much time and money in to let go... very salty and nasty group, I've met quite a few of them, most of them just want to be left alone on their private playground server.

99% of the Forum posts there are complaints about broken issues... or people who bought ( for what reason why I have no idea ) DLC's and the game itself and want to get a refund because they didn't realize ( again how I don't have a clue but then again I see the same type of "player" here who has no clue on what's happening ) that the game is DEAD.

The Developers for some odd reason let Arma2 limp on even though it was splitting the playerbase back when Arma3 came out ( I know... I was there ) but when they realized what a total mess it was making of their game and their playerbase they REFUSED to let any mod in Arma3 be called or referenced too DayZ ( oh they let them have "zombies" but nothing else DayZ had ) in order not to ~kneecap~ DayZ like the holdouts of Arma2 were doing to Arma3... thankfully TLM is shutting down old H&G to prevent the same and I don't blame them at all.

Now... like they said even though the Kickstarter failed... it's not the end, they're looking into other things... and hopefully there will be another Kickstarter or better yet a Patreon where people donating can't back out like the Trolls that tanked the Kickstarter did...

Any way one slices it... H&G1 is dead and let the dead rest in peace... it's what the players deserve, they helped kill it after all.

[HVA_HeadBusta]

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

Originally posted by HVA_HeadBusta:

So what happens to the gold I currently have in H&G when the game shuts down?

Simple question. I have gold that I purchased with real world funds currently in the game. When the game shuts down does that get transferred to H&G 2, do I get some sort of monetary refund, or does that value behind the gold that I spent real money on just disappear?

The same thing that happens with anything else you "buy" on Steam... it goes away.

I see you have Arma3... you don't really think any of the DLCs for Amra3 will transfer over to Arma4 do you? Nothing for Arma2 transfered over to Arma3...

No... anything on Steam is temporary... even the games themselves aren't "purchased" but "leased / rented" by the money you and everyone else spends here... it's not real things, only digits in cyberspace.

I get the point you're trying to say, but the difference here is that I have payed real money for in game currency. Some of that currency hasn't been traded for in game content. In the case of Arma 2, I received the content that I paid for. Sure I might not be able to have the same experience with all the content as I would back in 2012, but I still have access to that content.

A better comparison would be War Thunder. I've had an account with WT for almost a decade now, and I still have in game currency tied to that account. My expectation is that I can leave that currency untouched for months if not years and it will still be usable when I return. I don't expect to always have access to content that I have purchased previously with that in game currency, or that content to always remain the same as when I purchased it. Ten years from now War Thunder might be a completely different experience, but I still expect unused in game currency that I purchased to be there.

What you are trying to say is that we are not purchasing ownership of software on Steam, but rather purchasing the limited rights to use that software. That is something that has been the case since VHS tapes and game cartridges.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by HVA_HeadBusta:

Originally posted by Your_White_Knight:

The same thing that happens with anything else you "buy" on Steam... it goes away.

I see you have Arma3... you don't really think any of the DLCs for Amra3 will transfer over to Arma4 do you? Nothing for Arma2 transfered over to Arma3...

No... anything on Steam is temporary... even the games themselves aren't "purchased" but "leased / rented" by the money you and everyone else spends here... it's not real things, only digits in cyberspace.

I get the point you're trying to say, but the difference here is that I have payed real money for in game currency. Some of that currency hasn't been traded for in game content. In the case of Arma 2, I received the content that I paid for. Sure I might not be able to have the same experience with all the content as I would back in 2012, but I still have access to that content.

A better comparison would be War Thunder. I've had an account with WT for almost a decade now, and I still have in game currency tied to that account. My expectation is that I can leave that currency untouched for months if not years and it will still be usable when I return. I don't expect to always have access to content that I have purchased previously with that in game currency, or that content to always remain the same as when I purchased it. Ten years from now War Thunder might be a completely different experience, but I still expect unused in game currency that I purchased to be there.

What you are trying to say is that we are not purchasing ownership of software on Steam, but rather purchasing the limited rights to use that software. That is something that has been the case since VHS tapes and game cartridges.

It may be true that you have had that account in War Thunder for a decade... but if Gaijin decided "Hey this game and running the servers are ~costing~ more then it's bringing in revenue" and shuts the game and the severs down... your "payed real money for in game currency ( and the tanks and things for your tanks you got ) is ~still~ going to go away without any refund.

Also... if Gaijin decides to shut down War Thunder and make War Thunder 2... you better believe that nothing your real money purchased from War Thunder will be transferred over to War Thunder 2... Gaijin is about ~making~ money, not giving players free things for nothing... just like every other game maker out there.

I know... I've had that happen with MMO games before... the issue here with H&G is that it's not as big as say Gajijn's War Thunder or Valve's TF2 or KRAFTON's PUBG... but that doesn't mean that some day some time War Thunder, TF2, and PUBG isn't going offline forever either... it may be "less likely sooner then later" but it's ~going~ to happen. And nobody there either is going to get their "payed real money for in game currency and stuff" back either...

The issue here is with VHS tapes and game cartridges one could hold it in one's hands and know they had ~something~ for their money...

The whole Steam "online" thing confuses people thinking that they spent IRL money and therefore get "virtual IRL" things that they actually own for it... but it's more like renting the VHS tape from a ~video RENTAL store~ for a little while... then purchasing the VHS from a real store to have as long as the tape works.

Nobody putting any "payed real money for in game _____" is getting it forever or even for 10 years or 7 years or 1 year... some MMO games have gone under in MONTHS and nobody got a penny back because once your money is processed into the Internet... it's gone.
( Side note: This also goes for "movie sites" ( Netflix, Hulu, Crunchyroll ) that people "payed real money for" that once the site goes under... you'll no longer have access to that movie ~nor~ get your money back...

TLDR1; Anyone paying real money in Steam including H&G is buying a ticket to a movie theater seat that day... not buying a VHS/DVD of that movie... spend it for entertainment, not for "getting something" that was never yours to get in the first place... that's life.

TLDR2: More to the point... anyone with the expectation that they can leave that currency untouched for months if not years and it will still be usable when they return will be disappointed because it ~will~ be gone, not today, not tomorrow, maybe not 10 years from now, but maybe 10 years and one day... because nothing online is forever.

[SimranZenov]

"you do not have any ownership rights to the GOLD or any in-game items"
HnG TOS - https://account.heroesandgenerals.com/termsofservice.aspx

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by SimranZenov:

"you do not have any ownership rights to the GOLD or any in-game items"
HnG TOS - https://account.heroesandgenerals.com/termsofservice.aspx

That's an even better TLDR; lol

[Gamertime]

Imagine spending money on h&g

[HVA_HeadBusta]

Originally posted by Gamertime:

Imagine spending money on h&g

I had no problem spending money on the game. At it's peak, the fps gameplay was unlike other team based fps' with three separate factions fighting each other on the same map while also having airborne troops, vehicles, tanks, and air combat similar to classic sandbox fps like BF2.
If a F2P game can keep me entertained for more than ~20 hours in the same way a retail game would, I am more than happy to spend some money on that game to help support it.
However now that the dev's are choosing to shut down H&G 1 for the promise of H&G 2, and they are not going to support players that supported their game by dumping any unspent in-game currency into the ether, I can't see myself continuing to spend more money on any future F2P titles from the devs.

[Your_White_Knight]

Originally posted by Gamertime:

Imagine spending money on h&g

Imagine spending money on any video game... it's all the same.

Imagine pretending H&G is somehow needing to be more supportive of it's mostly UNsupportive "community" then any other game on Steam... it's a two way street that the "community" only wants to be one way.

Originally posted by HVA_HeadBusta:

Originally posted by Gamertime:

Imagine spending money on h&g

I had no problem spending money on the game. At it's peak, the fps gameplay was unlike other team based fps' with three separate factions fighting each other on the same map while also having airborne troops, vehicles, tanks, and air combat similar to classic sandbox fps like BF2.
If a F2P game can keep me entertained for more than ~20 hours in the same way a retail game would, I am more than happy to spend some money on that game to help support it.
However now that the dev's are choosing to shut down H&G 1 for the promise of H&G 2, and they are not going to support players that supported their game by dumping any unspent in-game currency into the ether, I can't see myself continuing to spend more money on any future F2P titles from the devs.

That's unfortunate and your choice... many of us have, are, and will continue to support any future version of H&G2 the Developers will try... the game's too good to not support.

Some of us are just not feeling entitled as others are I guess...