♥♥♥♥ TLM

[How to escape the matrix?]

they killed the game
they did it with mafia 3, they did it with h&g
let's all together hate them

[Rotgut]

I only ♥♥♥♥ my girlfriend

[Shadowreacon8]

based, ♥♥♥ hades too

[Gameboy_2003]

H&G live in our hearts! Glory to this game!

[Venaen]

Perhaps the game wasn't good but at least you had to pour lots of hour or money to get decent progress.

[Rotgut]

Originally posted by Venaen:

Perhaps the game wasn't good but at least you had to pour lots of hour or money to get decent progress.

No you didnt. A first rifle given to all soldiers could 2 shot kill anyone at medium distance. And first SMG was unlocked like after first game or two.

[ProgramTheta]

Originally posted by Rotgut:

No you didnt. A first rifle given to all soldiers could 2 shot kill anyone at medium distance. And first SMG was unlocked like after first game or two.

That was a great move by Reto imo, making the starter SA rifles some of the best weapons in the game but only if properly modified. It was always funny hearing noobs complain about how everyone had Assault Rifles and they just had a "useless" starter SA rifle, when i was also using a 2HK SA rifle for how good they were.

The instinct of Noobs is always that your starting gear is garbage and should be disposed of as quickly as possible, but this way H&G provided the highest rewards for 1. learning how to actually aim your SA rifle instead of buying a spray-and-pray automatic, and 2. learning how to best mod your guns.

[dr46onfusion]

Originally posted by ProgramTheta:

Originally posted by Rotgut:

No you didnt. A first rifle given to all soldiers could 2 shot kill anyone at medium distance. And first SMG was unlocked like after first game or two.

That was a great move by Reto imo, making the starter SA rifles some of the best weapons in the game but only if properly modified. It was always funny hearing noobs complain about how everyone had Assault Rifles and they just had a "useless" starter SA rifle, when i was also using a 2HK SA rifle for how good they were.

The instinct of Noobs is always that your starting gear is garbage and should be disposed of as quickly as possible, but this way H&G provided the highest rewards for 1. learning how to actually aim your SA rifle instead of buying a spray-and-pray automatic, and 2. learning how to best mod your guns.

It came down to awful map designs really, since engagement range dictates what weapons are great at what engagement... Assault rifles on the GE side are pretty powerful from 25m to 100 meters, where SA starts to be utilized the most without the scopes.

In fact SA rifles and GE Assault Rifle pretty much share most of the similar engagement ranges and the latter thrives on landing more consistent hits since aim correction is easier with more bullets fired. Semi-autos requires you to multi-task clicking to shoot and moving the mouse to aim at the same time, rather than full auto aiming by holding the mouse down, and turning the mouse to correct it.

If you 'automate' SA rifles to auto-shoot, I'm pretty sure all the automatics users would be the ones complaining.

[Source of all sparkle]

Game was destined to die one way or another quite frankly.

Yes, it would have been still played but by a dwindling hardcore playerbase that would have all been decked out in gear with one shot weapons and most new guys trying out the game would have been thrown off by that. One thing that always stuck out to me was the progressively small amount of content being put into the game to the point that we have been playing on the same maps for years. I have had friends play this game with me and all of them never returned on their own to play the game unless i had ask them to install it. Only the true die hard playerbase is what was left and of course most didnt spend any money in it

Yes, TLM did not care and was not fit to run the game as they did want to do a cashgrab when they realize what they got into. However, the game was not in a good state before them either they just hasten the progress it took to kill the game. Personally, i disagree with the shutdown but i also understand that the game was dying as it was and either needed a new team or eventually die on its own but who knows.

Nobody will ever know the future in stored for the game because of what they did and i would have rather it be a slow death through loss of player numbers than pulling the plug like they did.

[dr46onfusion]

This is why Dust 514 style of looting stuff from other players and keeping (temporary) consumable stocks of gear is a valid design, you can play decently and get a 'tank' that some whale splurged and bought to deploy in a match for instance, that has slightly better stats than basic stuff. People with veterancy and lots of better gear cannot dominate since it's very expensive to utilize that upkeep, not simply resource-wise, but the fact that enemy players can use skill to kill you a few times and you lose those, and the enemy side can gain those items back to use in later matches against you.

If you are very good at staying alive, buy a dropship and mod it to deploy allies in the skies and try to fly around safely dropping allies around and staying alive, you'll rack up points for that and gain more rewards for it, and in turn able to afford more money to keep doing the same tactic and win. Dust 514 even had cloaking and 'scanners' you can bring with you to 'hide' from enemies or 'scan' to scout enemies, and simply stay behind your allies and show them enemy locations for them to kill.