retribution and now

[Arcrom21]

As title says... His DLC got some mixed reviews and some search here is also a mixed posts about good and bad aspects of this DLC.

I want to return to this game and have most of DLCs. Should I bother with this one?

Also I remmember that there is a citizen feature that allow playing with few planets. The current state of the game still allow this?

[Airmaster]

Reviews are BS. Most of them are not even about Retribution and just complaints about DLC pricing in regard to the ultimate edition bundle.

[Arcrom21]

Originally posted by Airmaster:

Reviews are BS. Most of them are not even about Retribution and just complaints about DLC pricing in regard to the ultimate edition bundle.

Some negatives gives heavy details but they are from 2019. After some patches the current of DLC is worth it?

[Airmaster]

Retribution changes the way the game plays by removing a lot of expliots players used to get their player races to steam roll the AI. You can't specialize planets as food planets anymore for example. You can't exploit trading with your opponents and many other things you can no longer exploit. Retribution basically leveled the playing field for everyone including the AI, its a much more fair game for both players and your AI opponents.

Don't even believe half the reviews you read. Most of them are from playets who are and were mad because they could no longer exploit their way to quick wins.

[Arcrom21]

Thanks for the feedback. If they fixed some cheese exploits so I don't mind. I'll give a shot and try this game again once the DLC enters in a sale. TY again

[Airmaster]

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[pete]

Originally posted by Airmaster:

Reviews are BS. Most of them are not even about Retribution and just complaints about DLC pricing in regard to the ultimate edition bundle.

Vocal whinging minority. In other forums the developer hate is palpable - regardless of the product.

[Airmaster]

Originally posted by pete:

Originally posted by Airmaster:

Reviews are BS. Most of them are not even about Retribution and just complaints about DLC pricing in regard to the ultimate edition bundle.

Vocal whinging minority. In other forums the developer hate is palpable - regardless of the product.

This is true, however, much of the reviews for this game I couldn't even call review, they are more like opinions from upset basement dwellers who got super mad when exploits were removed or because they couldn't buy the ultimate bundle package. I guess the lack of "immersion" had them going through painful withdrawal symptoms without their "immersion" fix.

hehehehe

[pete]

Originally posted by Airmaster:

Originally posted by pete:

Vocal whinging minority. In other forums the developer hate is palpable - regardless of the product.

This is true, however, much of the reviews for this game I couldn't even call review, they are more like opinions from upset basement dwellers who got super mad when exploits were removed or because they couldn't but the ultimate bundle package. I guess the lack of "immersion" had them going through painful withdrawal symptoms without their "immersion" fix.

hehehehe

Don't you swear at me!!!!! You know my policy on immersionists!!!!!!

[Airmaster]

ROFLMAO

[Davor]

I have read some of those reviews as some people here claim. Vocal minority. People sour. Thing is, when I read those posts it didn't seem that way. Not saying those who say this are wrong, but some of you here haven't gave any reasons examples as to why they are wrong except for "people our sour because of nerf".

So what makes Retribution so good? I want to buy, but from what I have read from the well written posts (don't seem sour, seem very good reasons) Retribution doesn't seem like a good buy. Normally I wouldn't take the chance, but sadly, life happened only have like 20 bucks to spare. So I can't take a chance right now.

What makes Retribution so good? Please give examples and reasons as to why please.

[Airmaster]

Originally posted by Davor:

I have read some of those reviews as some people here claim. Vocal minority. People sour. Thing is, when I read those posts it didn't seem that way. Not saying those who say this are wrong, but some of you here haven't gave any reasons examples as to why they are wrong except for "people our sour because of nerf".

So what makes Retribution so good? I want to buy, but from what I have read from the well written posts (don't seem sour, seem very good reasons) Retribution doesn't seem like a good buy. Normally I wouldn't take the chance, but sadly, life happened only have like 20 bucks to spare. So I can't take a chance right now.

What makes Retribution so good? Please give examples and reasons as to why please.

As I stated in my prior comment, Retribution changes how you play the game vs Ai. You can no longer cheat the AI on trade deals. Nearly all the cheesy exploits players used to create powerful specialty planets with improvements buildings are gone. AI opponents now claim all anomalies within their territory as thiers and will declare war to keep others from taking them.

You can no no longer steam roll over your opponents to a quick victory. The AI is much better at trade, building up it colonies and it's military. Better at exploring and surveying. The proverbial playing field is now level for both you and your opponents. Yes the AI still gets bonuses at higher than normal difficulty to compensate for lack of human thinking but overall the game is much more fair to both players and AI opponents.

All this because Draginal took the reins and made Retribution the game GC3 is supposed to be. Some folks didn't like exploits removed and were not happy with the game after that.

The majority are not going to admit they cheated using cheesy exploits to win thier games. so quite a few left negative reviews as opinions and complaints after their favorite exploits got squashed. Again most of the reviews are pure BS coming from angry people who had their candy exploits taken away.

[Davor]

I guess I am old school. I like to see examples and reasons why. What was bad for you and Draginal made the game it was suppose to be? See I don't know why the game wasn't suppose to be in the first place. I have no context.

What did the expansion make more fun for you? (not directed at anyone just saying 'you' in general for anyone reading this) Did it fix what was broken? If so what was broken, and how is it more fun now? If nothing was broken but just added more fun, how did it add more fun and why is it more fun?

I don't see any examples as how the expansion fixed anything if broken/not fun for anyone. I don't see any examples how the expansion added any fun to what was already a good game for them. To me that is like saying I don't need the expansion since the base game is lots of fun without it.

See where I am coming from? Not saying anyone is right or wrong here, since they are all OPINIONS. Just like buttholes, we all have them and cover them up. (wonder if anyone will know where I got that from :P )

I have read why people don't the expansion. It nerfed the game for them. They can't cheat or abuse the AI. While that may be whiney, complaining for some people, it's a very valid reason because it's their opinion. Just like how some people love eating sardines our of a can while walking down a crowded sidewalk. Not my cup of tea, but kudos to them. :)

Just like to read why something is so great. Why it's so much fun instead of just reading "they are wrong" even worse "their opinion is wrong". After all many millions say Justin Beiber music is the best in the world. Can't refute what many millions say now then by going by that standard. Correct?

So why is the game, or I should say the expansion Retribution so much more fun?

[Airmaster]

So many things were fixed it's hard to keep track of it all without going over the change logs for each update. Suffice to say bugs and flaws are all ways fixed when found and reported.

AI opponents are no longer pushovers even on lower difficulty settings without bonuses. They are indeed capable of researching there own technology without trading with you or other opponents. This makes the game much more interesting to see them develop on their own as any race without foreign influence or contact would. All I can say insplite of the negative reviews don't knock it til you play it yourself. I might be a bit bias because I've been playing this game since before it was first releaseed on the founders edition for testing.

Fun because the now you have to think about the way you play to develop a strong strategy to beat your opponents or stay on their good side. Not an easy feat but coming up with good strategies to keep up or get ahead of your opponents without cheeseing expliots makes for a thinking man's 4x strategy game.

[bluerat]

Originally posted by Airmaster:

Originally posted by Davor:

I have read some of those reviews as some people here claim. Vocal minority. People sour. Thing is, when I read those posts it didn't seem that way. Not saying those who say this are wrong, but some of you here haven't gave any reasons examples as to why they are wrong except for "people our sour because of nerf".

So what makes Retribution so good? I want to buy, but from what I have read from the well written posts (don't seem sour, seem very good reasons) Retribution doesn't seem like a good buy. Normally I wouldn't take the chance, but sadly, life happened only have like 20 bucks to spare. So I can't take a chance right now.

What makes Retribution so good? Please give examples and reasons as to why please.

As I stated in my prior comment, Retribution changes how you play the game vs Ai. You can no longer cheat the AI on trade deals. Nearly all the cheesy exploits players used to create powerful specialty planets with improvements buildings are gone. AI opponents now claim all anomalies within their territory as thiers and will declare war to keep others from taking them.

You can no no longer steam roll over your opponents to a quick victory. The AI is much better at trade, building up it colonies and it's military. Better at exploring and surveying. The proverbial playing field is now level for both you and your opponents. Yes the AI still gets bonuses at higher than normal difficulty to compensate for lack of human thinking but overall the game is much more fair to both players and AI opponents.

All this because Draginal took the reins and made Retribution the game GC3 is supposed to be. Some folks didn't like exploits removed and were not happy with the game after that.

The majority are not going to admit they cheated using cheesy exploits to win thier games. so quite a few left negative reviews as opinions and complaints after their favorite exploits got squashed. Again most of the reviews are pure BS coming from angry people who had their candy exploits taken away.

Just wanted to say I didn't know any of this, which convinces me to finally get Retribution! I put it off when it came out as there seemed to be a lot of problems ... but a fairer game = my kind of game. My thanks

[Airmaster]

Originally posted by bluerat:

Originally posted by Airmaster:

As I stated in my prior comment, Retribution changes how you play the game vs Ai. You can no longer cheat the AI on trade deals. Nearly all the cheesy exploits players used to create powerful specialty planets with improvements buildings are gone. AI opponents now claim all anomalies within their territory as thiers and will declare war to keep others from taking them.

You can no no longer steam roll over your opponents to a quick victory. The AI is much better at trade, building up it colonies and it's military. Better at exploring and surveying. The proverbial playing field is now level for both you and your opponents. Yes the AI still gets bonuses at higher than normal difficulty to compensate for lack of human thinking but overall the game is much more fair to both players and AI opponents.

All this because Draginal took the reins and made Retribution the game GC3 is supposed to be. Some folks didn't like exploits removed and were not happy with the game after that.

The majority are not going to admit they cheated using cheesy exploits to win thier games. so quite a few left negative reviews as opinions and complaints after their favorite exploits got squashed. Again most of the reviews are pure BS coming from angry people who had their candy exploits taken away.

Just wanted to say I didn't know any of this, which convinces me to finally get Retribution! I put it off when it came out as there seemed to be a lot of problems ... but a fairer game = my kind of game. My thanks

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