WarZ (ISS) vs DayZ

[Quix]

There is a lot of hate for this game out there. Some of it is deserved, some of it is not.
The main focus of negative reviews can be divided into three main categories:
1) The Devs of WarZ are liars and the game is a scam.
2) WarZ is a ripoff of DayZ and is an inferior game to DayZ.
3) WarZ standing on it's own is a bad game.

Point 3 would honestly be the most relevant opinion to have but it is the one that is expressed far less often than the other two. Personally I find WarZ to be an enjoyable game, but this is personal opinion and open to disagreement.

Point 1 I don't really feel has much to do with if the game is any good or not. There is no doubt that the company had shady dealings and misstated facts. If your sense of "moral outrage" forces you to not buy a product from the company because of that then no amount of discussion of the game itself will change your mind, so feel free to not play it.

So I am choosing to focus on point 2 (though my feelings on point 3 will be clear from this discussion also). I have spent 200 hours in Day Z and 120+ hours in War Z so there is a foundation of experience upon which I base my opinions. When DayZ first came out I was on board, loved it and had a lot of fun playing it. That opinion changed with time as the game got progressively worse as each update introduced new bugs and hacking got worse and worse. When WarZ came out I bought it and have to agree that it is largely the same game with differences in the details.

Here is my quick comparison:

-Graphics: Winner War Z
There is a noticeable difference between these games. WarZ feel more vibrant, and the animations (while not great) are less clunky than in DayZ.
DayZ looks like a FPS that came out 10 years ago and has never been updated. The characters models and zombies are blocky and flat. The cities are dull and uninteresting, filled with ugly copy and pasted buildings.

-Sounds: Winner DayZ
The sounds in DayZ are what you would expect. There is nothing special here, but nothing done wrong either.
The sounds in WarZ/ISS are very poorly done. Walking on rocks sounds like you are walking on a metal roof. Ambient noise cuts in and out randomly and is far too loud (birds chirping and river noises near splinter are great examples of this), and zombies will from time to time become completely silent.

-Loot spawning: Winner War Z
Day Z only spawns zombies/loot when a player is in the area, which can easily be used as a type of radar to tell if other players are around. In War Z the entire world spawns regardless of if anyone is near it or not.
DayZ also spawns the best loot at random helicopter crash sites. These spawn on server start up and the loot, once taken, does not respawn so it is first come first served. This leads to a situation where the people in control of the server get the best loot and everyone else has much less chance of getting it.
WarZ is not without loot spawn issues however. The Devs are constantly changing what spawns where and how often. I see this as an attempt to find the right balance, but many people get very upset over it because they would rather have the loot spawns be static and known rather than in flux.

-Melee combat: Clear Winner War Z
Melee in Day Z is and feels like an afterthought. There is only one melee weapon and it is glitchy and takes up your primary weapon slot, and it is an uncommon item (not rare, but uncommon).
Melee in WarZ is a central component of the game. There are a multitude of weapon choices with varying degrees of effectiveness. This does lead to a situation where there are a few weapons that are simply much better than the others and some of these are not uncommon so many of the weapons are simply moot because of this.

-Gun combat: Winner Day Z
War Z guns used to be insanely innacurate, this has been fixed and they are back to an acceptable level of accuracy. There is recoil and bullet spread and bullet drop, but they are still more arcadish than realistic.
DayZ guns are appropriately accurate, and you can take down other players at a decent range. That being said using a gun in a town will bring down on you every zombie within nearly a mile. This makes using them much less attractive.

-The Inventory managment system: Clear winner WarZ
WarZ has a simple easy to use and understand inventory system.
DayZ has possibly the worst inventory system I have ever encountered. It always makes peoples lists of things they dislike about DayZ. It is so bad it is offensive.

-Hacking: Clear winner War Z
Yes War Z has a lot of hackers, people run ESP, Wallhack, No Spread, and occasionally teleport hacks.
DayZ..... I struggle to think of a single example where the hacking has been worse than it was in DayZ. I have personally seen people spawning battleships on top of other people, or teleporting everyone on a server into the air to fall to their deaths, or turning into invincible dogs and leading packs of zombies around the map to over run people, or setting entire cities on fire. This is not mentioning the horror stories of hacks that I have read about but not personally seen.

-Number of bugs: War Z gets the nod
7 out of 10 of all of my deaths in Day Z for me were due to bugs like: laying down next to a tree and breaking my leg, or logging in next to a tree and finding myself on top of it and falling to my death, or bumping into a friend on accident and we both instant die, or being hit by a zombie who is on the other side of a brick wall from me, or even just walking along perfectly flat and featureless ground and breaking my leg and bleeding to death. Nearly every aspect of the game is prone to having bugs and nearly every bug can be fatal.
WarZ is certainly not free of bugs, but they are not as bad or as prominent as in DayZ. Most of its bugs are minor and very few are fatal.

-Map: DayZ gets the nod
The Day Z map is much larger than the War Z map is. This is increased... well infinitely when you consider that Day z map has no real edge. When you get to the end of the map you go into a no-mans-land that has no end and stretches for as long as you feel like running even though there is nothing there. While the larger map of Day Z is nice, the no mans land is just a giant exploit where people hide all of the vehicles so no one else can get them.
The towns and villages feel more real in DayZ. The downside is that the majority of space in the DayZ map is empty and wasted. You can spend an hour or more running from one location to the next location without seeing anything at all.
WarZ towns feel small and cramped in comparison, but has less wasted space. Five minutes walk will get you from any location to the next location.

Grouping/Clans: Winner WarZ
In ISS/WarZ there are several very nice features for grouping with other people. First off you have the ability totalk to your group maotes in a dedicated chat chanel that others can't see (I do wish this was expanded to include private voice chat), you can see the location of your group members on the map, and all of your group members have a colored chevron above their heads so that you know at a glance who they are (this reduces instances of unintentional friendly fire by several orders of magnitude). All of these features also apply to people who are in your clan, so that even if you are not grouped with a clan member you can still see where they are and they have a differently colored chevron so that you dont accidently shoot them.
In DayZ you have none of these features. The only thing that DayZ has going for it in the grouping/clan discussion is that groups and clans can help each other fix vehicles and set up tent cities, as both of these can be difficult without other players.

Joining a Server: Clear winner WarZ/ISS
It is kind of sad that this even requires being a category for comparison, but it is.
With WarZ/ISS the public and private servers are clearly seperated, and logging into one of them is quick and easy and works every time. All servers run the same version of the game so every server is essentially the same except for the number of people on them (and a few private servers that turn crosshairs off). This is exactly what you would expect from an online game.
In DayZ it is not uncommon to spend 30+ minutes trying to find a server to play on. There are a multitude of different or outdated versions of the game being run on servers all of the time, and if you don't have the exact same version then you can't get on that server. This was bad enough when I played all of the time but it has been made worse by all of the community mods and maps that have been added since. And once you do find a server running the same version that you have, you can easily find yourself starting at a loading screen for 10-15 minutes before you give up and exit out before ever getting into the game. There were times when I was playing with my three IRL friends that we would litteraly spend an hour trying to find a server that all of us could succesfully connect to. There is simply no excuse for this.

-Vehicles:
Day Z has vehicles, War Z does not.
They take away from the feel of the game to me, and vehicles are a negative to me. Many people love them and it is a plus to them.
The WarZ map is small enough and it's locations are close enough to each other that vehicles are not needed and wouldn't really make sense on it.
The map in DayZ is so large that vehicles are certainly helpful and make sense (also they serve as mobile backpacks), the only problem is that most of them are hidden off of the map and you cant find them. If you get lucky enough to find one it will most likely be broken so you can look forward to several hours worth of running around trying to find all of the parts (can be up to like 6 or 8 different parts needed, and they are not normally common spawns) in order to fix it. This gets frustrating because someone else could be doing the same thing and fix it before you, or just waiting for you to set down to fix it and kill you when your back is turned and steal the vehicle you worked so hard to fix.

-Item Storage:
WarZ uses a safe zone system and a global inventory that can be shared between all of your characters. This allows you to store extra weapons, food, meds, ect for later use. Your global inventory cannot be stolen from you and is always safe.
DayZ has no safe zones anywhere. The only item storage system it uses are tents that can hold a fixed amount of gear, but that can be accessed by anyone who comes along. These tents are also famously unreliable and may not save your gear upon a server reset, that also might get stuck on a certain inventory and respawn those items even once they have been removed from the tent (creating an infiinate number of copies).
Which of these is better is purely a matter of personal preference. If you want something easier to play, easier to re-equip after you die so that you can get back into playing faster then WarZ is for you. If you want something harsher, more realistic, with more of a penalty to death (assuming you don't participate in exploits) then DayZ is more for you.

-Marketplace:
WarZ has a in game marketplace that allows you to purchase items with either GC (currency only avaliable by spending real money) or Cash (in game currency that drop from killing zombies).
To me this is a detracting feature of the game since it takes you out of the "survival" aspect that is one of the major draws to the genre for me.

-Zombie Agro:
In DayZ the zombies will agro onto you from an insane distance away. God help you if you fire a gun in one of the large cities because you will be swarmed by 30+ undead within seconds. This is comounded by the fact that melee combat is such an afterthought in the game, so your only options are to use a gun or to crawl through a city and hope that you dont get picked off by sniper fire.
In WarZ the zombie agro range is much more forgiving, perhaps too much so. Yes moving and firing guns will agro Zombies but the radius is much smaller than in DayZ. To the point that you can fire a shotgun and be comfortable that you will only draw zombies from within the same block as you, where as the noise can be heard from much farther away.
I can't give a winner here because I think that neither game has this right yet. WarZ is too forgiving, and DayZ takes it too far.

The other major difference between the two is that Day Z is built off of the ARMA 2 engine and is a MilSim game. So if you want more realism (i.e. no map to start with and when you find one it won't show you where you are because that is not how maps work irl) then Day Z is the better game. If you want something that is more accessible and easier to just jump into and play then War Z is more for you.

Overall: WarZ wins for me.
Despite it's issues I still have fun in the game and keep coming back to it. The number and severity of DayZs bugs coupled with the extreme amount and types of hacking that go on in it just make it not very much fun to play.

[Quix]

Please tell me how any thread comparing two games can be anything other than personal opinion? I never hid the fact that these are my opinions, I state it outright multiple times. You are free to take from them what you want or nothing at all, or contribute to the discussion with counter points or agreements to points.

And please tell me how, if this thread is irelevant because it is just personal opinion, how the slew of anti-ISS posts you make on a daily basis are relevant because they are nothing but personal opinion also.

[Taux]

Publicado originalmente por nemesis:

dayz is the winner m8, the only reason that it doesnt look so great is because its old engine

Not to mention WarZ looks about 5 years older than DayZ.

[Sarsipius]

Wow, I can't believe this has come up again. With the recent showing of DayZ standalone footage (which to be honest in my case, the more I see the more I'm moving away from it, see my comments on the first 2 pages to see how much I enjoyed the DayZ mod) and the introduction of 7 days to die it just seems like this game is so rooted in the past that as soon as both of those games are fully realeased this is going to seem likje such an old generation game.Each to thier own though I guess.

EDIT:damn my grammar when there is been in the room.

[James]

Publicado originalmente por Sarsipius:

this game is so rooted in the past that as soon as both of those games are fully realeased this is going to seem likje such an old generation game.

god, I hope so. Trust me, I would LOVE for someone to make a zombie survival whatever that is BETTER than War Z (it SHOULDN'T be hard, but for some reason people aren't really doing it). I can't WAIT for there to be a better option (I do have an eye on 7 days to die... I just hope it gets far enough to have interesting PvP aspects).

Publicado originalmente por Sarsipius:

With the recent showing of DayZ standalone footage (which to be honest in my case, the more I see the more I'm moving away from it, see my comments on the first 2 pages to see how much I enjoyed the DayZ mod)

Yeah, I also enjoyed the DayZ mod (before I found war z and decided to play it instead) and I agree that what they have been showing off of the standalone has just been really weak and disappointing. They don't appear to be focused on anything that would fix the problems with the day z mod (other than rampant abuse of admin powers and cheaters).

[Quix]

Publicado originalmente por James:

Publicado originalmente por Sarsipius:

this game is so rooted in the past that as soon as both of those games are fully realeased this is going to seem likje such an old generation game.

god, I hope so. Trust me, I would LOVE for someone to make a zombie survival whatever that is BETTER than War Z (it SHOULDN'T be hard, but for some reason people aren't really doing it). I can't WAIT for there to be a better option (I do have an eye on 7 days to die... I just hope it gets far enough to have interesting PvP aspects).

Publicado originalmente por Sarsipius:

With the recent showing of DayZ standalone footage (which to be honest in my case, the more I see the more I'm moving away from it, see my comments on the first 2 pages to see how much I enjoyed the DayZ mod)

Yeah, I also enjoyed the DayZ mod (before I found war z and decided to play it instead) and I agree that what they have been showing off of the standalone has just been really weak and disappointing. They don't appear to be focused on anything that would fix the problems with the day z mod (other than rampant abuse of admin powers and cheaters).

I have to agree with most of what both of you said. Although I havent played 7days to Die yet, so I don't have an opinion on it past what I've seen in footage online. Give me a better game in this genre and I will play it.

Everyone has been bashing ISS hardcore and saying "Wait for DayZ:sa it will be perfect". And the sad truth is that as much as I want that game to be the Holy Grail of the genre, I just dont have faith in Rockett or Bohemia Interactive to pull it off.

[David Wolfe]

Your self defeating yourself with this post.
Dayz looks old because it's running on an old engine. Yet it still doesn't have as much hackers as Warz.
Dayz is a mod, WarZ isn't.
Meaning that the developers were restricted into changing the mod too much. I'm going to spare this forum since this was made before the standalone version of Dayz was released.
But that standalone is so much better.
People hate it because Warz is a key logger. Google Key Logger and you will want to remove Warz faster then a road runner.
I understand its your opinion but WarZ is horrible. Just really horrible. It doesn't have anything to redeem itself.

[The doctor is in]

Publicado originalmente por KittyWaffle:

Your self defeating yourself with this post.
Dayz looks old because it's running on an old engine. Yet it still doesn't have as much hackers as Warz.
Dayz is a mod, WarZ isn't.
Meaning that the developers were restricted into changing the mod too much. I'm going to spare this forum since this was made before the standalone version of Dayz was released.
But that standalone is so much better.
People hate it because Warz is a key logger. Google Key Logger and you will want to remove Warz faster then a road runner.
I understand its your opinion but WarZ is horrible. Just really horrible. It doesn't have anything to redeem itself.

@crow the member is pulling your leg... look at the members profile...


re: "People hate it because Warz is a key logger."

that also is complete fabrication. warz is not a key logger at all. its defies logic. steam would never sell a key logger.

also the executables are digitally signed. microsoft and issuer would never issue keys to an organization that releases a key logger and microsoft and issuer would revoke any signiture if it were ever to happen cause the keys were misused.

and again nothing other than unsupported statement where complete falsehood is said that defies the facts...

and any antivirus would pick it up and refuse to allow it to run certainly after these very months.

everybody can right mouse click on the executables and look under digital signitures and view and check the validity of said signatures...


re: "Dayz looks old because it's running on an old engine. Yet it still doesn't have as much hackers as Warz."

that is total hogwash. iss has both pb/ff that cannot be easily bypassed which is way better than vac/battleeye that are easily bapassed.

i have no idea and you do not cite any study that shows or supports the statements that you make.

[Quix]

Wow I was more than a bit surprised when this thread got resurected, as it has been dead for a while.

Couple of things:

Dayz looks old because it's running on an old engine.

Dayz is a mod, WarZ isn't.
Meaning that the developers were restricted into changing the mod too much.

Claiming that a game isn't flawed because of the engine defies logic. The engine in an integral part of the game. If that engine is out dated, or broken in some way then that means the game based on it will be out dated or broken. The developer had his choice of what engine to build his mod on, and he choose the ARMA 2 engine. That was the very first design choice he made for the mod, and to be honest it was a bad one.

That would be like saying "The Ford Pinto is a great car. The only reason you think it isn't is because the fuel tanks tends to expload when rear-ended. But you know, if you ignore that then its a great car."

I'm going to spare this forum since this was made before the standalone version of Dayz was released.
But that standalone is so much better.

1) Spareing the forums would have been not necroing a dead thread.
2) The Standalone version of DayZ has not been released yet. There is a pre-release version (cant remember off the top of my head if they claim it is Beta version or Alpha version) that you can pay full price to play/test right now.
3) OBVIOUSLY this 10 month old thread wouldn't be comparing any current version of DayZ Standalone to the current version of ISS. That would be an impossibility both because 10 months ago I couldn't look into the future and see what those games would be like, and secondly because I havent played the pre-release version of DayZ nor have I played ISS in several months to see how it has changed.

[James]

Publicado originalmente por Quix:

Everyone has been bashing ISS hardcore and saying "Wait for DayZ:sa it will be perfect". And the sad truth is that as much as I want that game to be the Holy Grail of the genre, I just dont have faith in Rockett or Bohemia Interactive to pull it off.

well I got the standalone... and I gotta say.. I still ended up playing some WarZ this weekend with my buddy. The standalone MIGHT be good eventually, but it is currently worse than the mod in a number of ways and (perhaps more critically) it isn't better than the mod in ways I need it to be.

They DID do a nice job with the new inventory system.. if they can do for the rest of the game what they did with the inventory system DayZ standalone will be all around passable (and in this genre that will make it the one-eyed king in the land of the blind)