Anyone else struggeling to enjoy the combat?

[Terron]

I am enjoying this game well enough and really like most aspects of it except the combat. I knew going in that it was this kind of tales style combat which I never liked in tales either but the other aspects of the game were enough to make me jump in as I hoped the combat might grow on me down the line especially given you can pump the difficulty up but alas its really not and as I care less for the combat it has a horrible ripple effect as I then care less about the abilities I upgrade and other aspects that effect combat. Its putting a downer on what is otherwise a pretty cool game so far. I am more a turn based dude. Loved octopath combat, smt 5 combat, ara fell combat, bravely default combat, shadows of adam combat etc Am I alone feeling this way? Hope you all are loving the game! :)

[Xengre]

I enjoy turn based games, but I'm fine if a game doesn't have it since over 95% of them have such poor balance they're actually very brain dead like Final Fantasy... when it comes to any real strategy (total lack of), like at all, involved to the point I could teach a 4 year old to faceroll most of those games. I think the Growlanser franchise is the only one to ever really impress me on that front.

What you could do, since they buffed casters so much in this one, is just play as a caster and have a caster focused team that you give commands to. Create your own semi-turn based combat. Alternatively, you could just get a few Goodie boxes early game, get the op stuff, and just roll over battles in 2s each and just focus on everything else you like about the game basically skipping combat.

[LazyAmerican]

I'm not because I've already played this game when it first came out and knew what it was about

[[VGM] Redbl0odx]

Originally posted by Xengre:

I enjoy turn based games, but I'm fine if a game doesn't have it since over 95% of them have such poor balance they're actually very brain dead like Final Fantasy... when it comes to any real strategy (total lack of), like at all, involved to the point I could teach a 4 year old to faceroll most of those games. I think the Growlanser franchise is the only one to ever really impress me on that front.

What you could do, since they buffed casters so much in this one, is just play as a caster and have a caster focused team that you give commands to. Create your own semi-turn based combat. Alternatively, you could just get a few Goodie boxes early game, get the op stuff, and just roll over battles in 2s each and just focus on everything else you like about the game basically skipping combat.

how do I get goodie boxes?

[REhorror]

I love the combat with the breaking and AI companions.
Sometimes I just sit back relax and let my companions do it for me.

[Terron]

Originally posted by Xengre:

I enjoy turn based games, but I'm fine if a game doesn't have it since over 95% of them have such poor balance they're actually very brain dead like Final Fantasy... when it comes to any real strategy (total lack of), like at all, involved to the point I could teach a 4 year old to faceroll most of those games. I think the Growlanser franchise is the only one to ever really impress me on that front.

What you could do, since they buffed casters so much in this one, is just play as a caster and have a caster focused team that you give commands to. Create your own semi-turn based combat. Alternatively, you could just get a few Goodie boxes early game, get the op stuff, and just roll over battles in 2s each and just focus on everything else you like about the game basically skipping combat.

Very cool idea with the casters. Might try that :)

[Xengre]

Originally posted by VGM Redbl0odx:

Originally posted by Xengre:

I enjoy turn based games, but I'm fine if a game doesn't have it since over 95% of them have such poor balance they're actually very brain dead like Final Fantasy... when it comes to any real strategy (total lack of), like at all, involved to the point I could teach a 4 year old to faceroll most of those games. I think the Growlanser franchise is the only one to ever really impress me on that front.

What you could do, since they buffed casters so much in this one, is just play as a caster and have a caster focused team that you give commands to. Create your own semi-turn based combat. Alternatively, you could just get a few Goodie boxes early game, get the op stuff, and just roll over battles in 2s each and just focus on everything else you like about the game basically skipping combat.

how do I get goodie boxes?

- You can steal one in Mars from an old guy NPC.

- You get one from the challenge missions "Complete 10% of the Item Encyclopedia!" which is unlocked not very far into the game. This includes stuff you find, buy from shops (just buy a bunch of the affordable stuff), and stuff you make with IC (Item Creation). Can be done easily near the very start of the game.

- The final method which can produce an infinite number and makes me wonder why people freak out about the other two methods... Just buy 10 Magic Clay at the item shop. Save game. You need the art skill from IC (Item Creation) and you preferably want the Talent "Design Sense" which can be learned during the process of crafting (but hopefully one of your three will have it to begin with saving you additional effort). Art create > Create Strange Goods 10x at a time. It can randomly produce a Goodie Box at a pretty common rate if you have Design Sense and at least when I tested it level 4 art. Save and reload if you fail (wont take many tries).

Last, you would want to save before you start opening Goodie Boxes and just reload if you don't get what you want. If you do the crafting method you can get like 3-5 boxes and then just load them all at once > reload/save if you do or do not get what you want and just discard the losses as long as you get something you want. Money isn't a problem.

Money solutions? You can level Purity skill (improve menu section) on ANY character and as it levels up the skill gives you free money. This is all Purity does. At level 10 it gives you 100k Fol per character that gets it to level 10. This is the ultra lazy way but isn't necessary for the remake imo. I made a thread about cooking to make money with an infinite loop sell more than cost to make but if you're doing this method to essentially skip combat then the Purity method is the easiest/laziest solution for you.

If you get a Berserk Ring this will double your dmg, too. Then from the break 50 guard challenge (once Claude learns his 3rd move that reliably instant breaks an enemy just spam it over each couple of battles to quickly do this challenge) you get Meteor Ring which adds +1 attack so now you're doing, essentially, 400% dmg with late game dmg stats. There is a trick to upgrade the Marvel Sword you would get from the Goodie Box to Eternal Sphere bringing you truly end game weapon for Claude but you will want to Google that one once you get to the tournament early on (not needed that early anyways, so Marvel Sword will hold you for then). There are several other character's high end weapons in the box, too, plus other powerful accessories.

[[VGM] Redbl0odx]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by VGM Redbl0odx:

how do I get goodie boxes?

- You can steal one in Mars from an old guy NPC.

- You get one from the challenge missions "Complete 10% of the Item Encyclopedia!" which is unlocked not very far into the game. This includes stuff you find, buy from shops (just buy a bunch of the affordable stuff), and stuff you make with IC (Item Creation). Can be done easily near the very start of the game.

- The final method which can produce an infinite number and makes me wonder why people freak out about the other two methods... Just buy 10 Magic Clay at the item shop. Save game. You need the art skill from IC (Item Creation) and you preferably want the Talent "Design Sense" which can be learned during the process of crafting (but hopefully one of your three will have it to begin with saving you additional effort). Art create > Create Strange Goods 10x at a time. It can randomly produce a Goodie Box at a pretty common rate if you have Design Sense and at least when I tested it level 4 art. Save and reload if you fail (wont take many tries).

Last, you would want to save before you start opening Goodie Boxes and just reload if you don't get what you want. If you do the crafting method you can get like 3-5 boxes and then just load them all at once > reload/save if you do or do not get what you want and just discard the losses as long as you get something you want. Money isn't a problem.

Money solutions? You can level Purity skill (improve menu section) on ANY character and as it levels up the skill gives you free money. This is all Purity does. At level 10 it gives you 100k Fol per character that gets it to level 10. This is the ultra lazy way but isn't necessary for the remake imo. I made a thread about cooking to make money with an infinite loop sell more than cost to make but if you're doing this method to essentially skip combat then the Purity method is the easiest/laziest solution for you.

If you get a Berserk Ring this will double your dmg, too. Then from the break 50 guard challenge (once Claude learns his 3rd move that reliably instant breaks an enemy just spam it over each couple of battles to quickly do this challenge) you get Meteor Ring which adds +1 attack so now you're doing, essentially, 400% dmg with late game dmg stats. There is a trick to upgrade the Marvel Sword you would get from the Goodie Box to Eternal Sphere bringing you truly end game weapon for Claude but you will want to Google that one once you get to the tournament early on (not needed that early anyways, so Marvel Sword will hold you for then). There are several other character's high end weapons in the box, too, plus other powerful accessories.

So how good are the items I can get out of the goodie boxes? I hear people saying they're getting OP stuff from it.

[Astellin]

i created a sword that had 700+ attack before i left the first continent. leveled up all the training and scouting just spent like a hour in northern mountain now level 68 now at getting ready to fight dias till the end of time.

[Poyzo]

Part of me bought this game BECAUSE of the combat. I can't do turn-based JRPGs anymore.

[valium]

If it is done well, I can still do turn-based JRPGs, Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars are good modern takes on the system. I do still prefer the active battle systems of Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Tales of, FF7 remake.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by VGM Redbl0odx:

So how good are the items I can get out of the goodie boxes? I hear people saying they're getting OP stuff from it.

Stuff like Sword of Marvels (1100 attack), Socrerer's Knuckles (1000 attack, 180 INT, MP cost reduced 33%, Recover 2% MP every 5 seconds), Berserk Ring (Rage state aka double dmg basically), Faerie Ring (-50% MP cost), etc.

For example at Krosse Cave super early into the game (like an hour in or slightly more depending on play speed) I should be doing around 250~ dmg with the weapons available in the shops and at level 12-13 there (12 was the level cap from demo).

Now with Sword of Marvels on Claude, plus Berserk Ring (rage status dmg boost), plus Meteor Ring (+1 attack on basic attack, superb for stunlocking and can compete with skill dmg at no MP cost) I do 6K dmg per basic attack (~3k per hit, 2 fast hits total), plus a few points into skills like Knife/etc. which give a slight attack bonus per lv (retroactive). This probably isn't even the upper spectrum as I'm not trying to do that on purpose, I'm not learning any battle skills at all yet (just IC and the sort), and if you get a bit further you can even get stuff like his uber broken Eternal Sphere sword. This is just one character to boot, not counting the other characters super beefed up such as heavily buffed casters in remake like Celine.

tl;dr
Going from ~250 dmg at level 12 up to 6,000 dmg per basic attack while stunlocking with the bonus hit.

[[VGM] Redbl0odx]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by VGM Redbl0odx:

So how good are the items I can get out of the goodie boxes? I hear people saying they're getting OP stuff from it.

Stuff like Sword of Marvels (1100 attack), Socrerer's Knuckles (1000 attack, 180 INT, MP cost reduced 33%, Recover 2% MP every 5 seconds), Berserk Ring (Rage state aka double dmg basically), Faerie Ring (-50% MP cost), etc.

For example at Krosse Cave super early into the game (like an hour in or slightly more depending on play speed) I should be doing around 250~ dmg with the weapons available in the shops and at level 12-13 there (12 was the level cap from demo).

Now with Sword of Marvels on Claude, plus Berserk Ring (rage status dmg boost), plus Meteor Ring (+1 attack on basic attack, superb for stunlocking and can compete with skill dmg at no MP cost) I do 6K dmg per basic attack (~3k per hit, 2 fast hits total), plus a few points into skills like Knife/etc. which give a slight attack bonus per lv (retroactive). This probably isn't even the upper spectrum as I'm not trying to do that on purpose, I'm not learning any battle skills at all yet (just IC and the sort), and if you get a bit further you can even get stuff like his uber broken Eternal Sphere sword. This is just one character to boot, not counting the other characters super beefed up such as heavily buffed casters in remake like Celine.

tl;dr
Going from ~250 dmg at level 12 up to 6,000 dmg per basic attack while stunlocking with the bonus hit.

I actually think I have one of those rage rings, and also a Meteor ring...maybe I should have them both equipped lol. I have...literally thousands of hours in the original PS1 version, but I never really looked at any guides so there's probably a lot of stuff I don't remember at all.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Zeruca:

Originally posted by Xengre:

I enjoy turn based games, but I'm fine if a game doesn't have it since over 95% of them have such poor balance they're actually very brain dead like Final Fantasy... when it comes to any real strategy (total lack of), like at all, involved to the point I could teach a 4 year old to faceroll most of those games.

Today I learned I’m worse than a 4 year old at Final Fantasy :lunar2019deadpanpig:

To be fair, I'd have to point out the basic stuff to use and then they would roll with it. The 4 year old probably wouldn't figure that part out on their own. If there is a FF game you want advice on say along with any details and I'll tell you what (if) I know. The trick with FF is if you don't really analyze even a little it is easy to tunnel vision and miss otherwise super obvious stuff, or if you simply never test due to their numerous skills/etc.

[Sprocket]

Originally posted by Astellin:

i created a sword that had 700+ attack before i left the first continent. leveled up all the training and scouting just spent like a hour in northern mountain now level 68 now at getting ready to fight dias till the end of time.

wtf is this spolier post :((

[Terron]

Originally posted by valium:

If it is done well, I can still do turn-based JRPGs, Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars are good modern takes on the system. I do still prefer the active battle systems of Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Tales of, FF7 remake.

You listed off the only 4 games I can think of that have combat sonewhat similar to this and I didnt like the combat in any of them lol. Each to their own though. FF7 remake combat looked phenomenal though, loved when you were picking actions how everything went into slow mo. Sea of stars combat was cool but was too slow imo and I am waiting on my physical of chained echoes to arrive but excited as I loved the demo.