F1 2013

F1 2013

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AfxTwn Apr 18, 2014 @ 10:47am
Help Please For A Newbie
Hi everyone. I am playing this game online with my friend, we are on the same team and are doing a co-op championship. We are both pretty terrible at this game but find it frustratingly difficult to play.

We are both using Xbox 360 controllers with the default settings and are using all the assists and set the difficulty to the lowest setting possible but we're still finding it really, really hard to get anywhere near the top half of the grid for qualifying and in the actualy race we generally finish at the back of the pack.

What are we doing wrong? The other car AI seems very, very aggressive and difficult most of the time. They set ridiculous lap times which we have no hope of beating or getting anywhere near and whether you're in the main race or qualifying, if another car is behind you they just barge straight into you. This makes racing against them nigh-on impossible as they'll just hit you and you'll get blamed for causing a collision.

I think more than anything, me and my friend are sick of seeing the dissappointed-shaking-head-dismissively engineer animation at the end of every sessions, this game is one of the most depressing games we've ever played and all joy is sucked from it.

You'd have thought that when you select the lowest difficulty setting it would adjust the AI accordingly and allow you to get somewhere near the other drivers and be competitive with them.

Can anyone suggest better gamepad settings as we both suffer from the accelerator being too aggressive. With auto-braking turned on then the game slows you automatically into corners but then when coming out, even with the accelerator held down halfway, the car suddenly gets maximum power and the wheels spin and you lose grip and are span left or right causing you to skid all over the track. What the hell is the knack for playing this game other than "practice, practice, practice"?

Can anyone give me some actual tips and suggestions. Thanks for any help, I'm desperate.
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Watson690 Apr 18, 2014 @ 12:29pm 
Before anyone says "You HAVE to use a wheel to be fast", that's pure rubbish. I use a wired Xbox 360 controller and I can definitely set competitive times. A wheel is only neccessary if you truly want to reach the absolute peak of performance. My settings for the controller are 18% Deadzone, 8% steering linearity and 8% steering saturation but since the xbox controllers are all almost exactly the same it's best to set these to how you feel comfortable. Steering deadzone is purely controller dependant, linearity and saturation should be pretty good at 0%, I just feel more comfortable with 8%.

Driving style-wise, I highly suggest trying to use smooth inputs.
Smooth on throttle out of corners, can use full throttle once in third gear usually.
Hard on brakes for corners, gently releasing as you slow down to avoid locking your tyres.. Don't brake as you turn or you'll lock up.
Gently straighten up the car as you exit corners at about the same rate as you increase throttle to avoid spinning out and to get the best exit possible.
Brake as late as possible for corners, if you're coasting before you're turning then you braked too early and losing time. Don't use the throttle before you know you won't have to take it off, this will help you get a better exit from corners and a better run onto the following straight/corner.
Use KERS in lower gears, at the exit of corners onto long straights to get the most out of it. Never first gear, second only if you dare risk it and third gear is usually safe.
NEVER brake when following the same line as the AI and hoping to overtake them, especially in lower difficulties. On Amateur and Intermediate the AI will brake far too early and often take your wing off as well as give you a penalty. Move to the centre of the track and brake a little earlier than you would otherwise need to, you should be able to overtake them safely this way.

Assists are helpful while you're learning but they mostly just slow you down. I highly suggest turning them off as you get more confident with the game. You should NEVER use the brake assist. It just slows you down far too much and far too early. Pit assist can be annoying, this one is more personal preference than anything since some people love it however it often gives you control of the car at the worst possible time. Pit assist makes no difference to when you drive through the pits, the game will always control this. Using ABS results in slower braking however it is an Anti-lock Braking System so the brakes will rarely lock up and never for very long....you'll go faster without ABS though one you get used to it. Traction Control can be helpful to avoid spinning out but it severely limits your power in the lower gears to prevent wheelspin which will result in getting onto and accellerating along straight slower, I advise turning this one off first and learning to control the car better to avoid spins and wheelspin.

Penalties....basically just assume that if you touch anyone you will get a penalty, regardless of whose fault the incident was. In F1 2012 it was easy to know who would get the penalty (it would never be the leading car in the incident) however in F1 2013 the penalty system has no clear logic to it. I have seen people receive penalties when there wasn't even anyone in the same sector as them. Just try not to hit anyone at any time and you should be ok.

Practise is the best thing you can do. Practise, practise, practise! There's no magic trick to driving faster, just little tricks that can save a few tenths here and there. Hope I've helped you here, this is honestly just the way I drive and I can get decent times.
(don't forget that when you look slow you can actually be going faster, being over-aggressive isn't always better!)

However, this is the internet so somebody will probably be along soon to tell you that I'm completely wrong :)
Last edited by Watson690; Apr 19, 2014 @ 8:45am
AfxTwn Apr 19, 2014 @ 1:16am 
Thanks very, very much for your detailed reply. I really appreciate you taking the time to go as in-depth as you have. I'll try some of the 360 controller settings you suggested and maybe try turning off the brake assist and see how I get on. I find it very difficult to stay on the suggested racing line (the green dotted one) and often take my own line through the track which probably doesn't help. I tend to turn into corners a little too early and take a narrower line through the apex so that I'm almost hugging the kerb.

I think when you go from playing games like Need For Speed to this then it's quite a shock to the system how unforgving it is. As for penalties, because I generally start at the back of the grid in the main race, then when I catch up to the rest of the pack in the first few corners, it's almost impossible not to hit anyone unless I just brake and let everyone get in front of me and settle with being last but at least not in any danger.

I haven't been using KERS much at all as I never knew when to use it and seeing as I'm always last and not near anyone, I didn't think it was worth using it. I use DRS all the time in qualifying as that's easy to know when to use it due to signposted areas. Oh and I wish the pit lane was more clearly marked out/indicated, when I'm qualifying and want to go in (usually for running out of fuel), I often find it very hard knowing where the hell it is. I get caught out by the many run-off areas which at first you think is the pit lane entrance only to find it isn't at all!!
FullMetal Apr 19, 2014 @ 1:17am 
dude. awesome advice. this game is brutal.
Watson690 Apr 19, 2014 @ 8:59am 
Originally posted by AfxTwn:
Thanks very, very much for your detailed reply. I really appreciate you taking the time to go as in-depth as you have. I'll try some of the 360 controller settings you suggested and maybe try turning off the brake assist and see how I get on. I find it very difficult to stay on the suggested racing line (the green dotted one) and often take my own line through the track which probably doesn't help. I tend to turn into corners a little too early and take a narrower line through the apex so that I'm almost hugging the kerb.

I think when you go from playing games like Need For Speed to this then it's quite a shock to the system how unforgving it is. As for penalties, because I generally start at the back of the grid in the main race, then when I catch up to the rest of the pack in the first few corners, it's almost impossible not to hit anyone unless I just brake and let everyone get in front of me and settle with being last but at least not in any danger.

I haven't been using KERS much at all as I never knew when to use it and seeing as I'm always last and not near anyone, I didn't think it was worth using it. I use DRS all the time in qualifying as that's easy to know when to use it due to signposted areas. Oh and I wish the pit lane was more clearly marked out/indicated, when I'm qualifying and want to go in (usually for running out of fuel), I often find it very hard knowing where the hell it is. I get caught out by the many run-off areas which at first you think is the pit lane entrance only to find it isn't at all!!

Biggest tip I can give is just to drive gently, by that I mean release brakes gently as you slow down, use the throttle gently on the exit of corners, straighten up your steering gently as you exit corners.

The penalty system has been broken for a long while and Codemasters have only been making it worse, I understand that it's hard to tell a script whose fault the incident was but the F1 2013 penalty system is just appalling. And race starts are one of the most difficult parts of the race really, they're an excellent oppurtunity to pass several people in a short span of time but you have to be careful not to bump too many people/bump anyone too hard, I suggest braking early and being conservative until you know the game better and trust yourself to not kill everyone.

The pit lane should be marked during races with light-blue arrows from the racing line assist, you'll really just have to learn where the pits are :(

Originally posted by Zamurai:
dude. awesome advice. this game is brutal.
It's cool, guy, if a lot of the faster drivers were willing to help newcomers then maybe there'd be more people playing multiplayer ;)
sid14m Apr 22, 2014 @ 12:36am 
I would suggest you to DISABLE the brake assist.A big NO! You might want to use the 3D racing line to help you know how much to slow down,when to brake,etc.

You should practice on empty tracks(i.e. time trials,young driver tests,etc...).Less cars to care/worry about,then move onto races.

Disable assists gradually,as you feel more confident,one by one,and then increase ai levels..etc.
AfxTwn Apr 22, 2014 @ 1:05am 
Well I tried changing some of the joypad settings like the steering linearity and saturation and it made a slight but not significant difference. I even turned off the brake assist and set the traction control to the lowest setting but I'm still having massive problems playing this game. At the moment I'm stuck on the beginning young driver test where you have to do 2 laps in under 3:50 and I just can't get anywhere near that time, I'm always over by around 5-10 seconds.

I try to follow the racing line as best as I can but often find I'm braking too early and then turning into the corner (if I try to brake when the racing line suggests then a lot of the time on tight and hairpin corners, it's too late). When I do turn the corner I'm either going very wide and often go off track or I turn in too early and cut the corner.

The throttle still seems very aggressive and it's difficult to even hold it halfway down with it being almost fully on in terms of power. This causes the wheels to spin and me to lose grip and often ends up in me coming out of a corner too fast and squirrel-ing all over the track.

I just find this game really, really difficult and infuriating to play. I don't understand why using all the assists would make the game worse for you, surely this should make it if anything, overly-easy for you to get good lap times and finish top 3 in races, thus helping you get used to the tracks and encourage you to turn some of them off to make it more of a challenge.

I wish there was a mod for this game to make it easier or something, as it is I'm having no fun playing it and unlikely to want to keep practicing tracks to get better as it just seems torturous doing so.

Perhaps it's my 360 controller, although it seems fine playing every other game on Steam and Need For Speed type of games.

I dunno, I give up.
mb Apr 22, 2014 @ 2:19am 
If you mean need for speed type games like most wanted then you will have trouble, those aren't driving sims (except for some of the track based ones) so in F1 games you have to practise driving it like you would a proper car, braking smoothly, coming off the brakes when you're ready to steer into the corner, and smoothly coming back on to the throttle. if you try to play it like Most Wanted then it just wont work. And I found after playing F1 for years, and i got the most recent need for speed most wanted game, it was a hell of a lot easier to control, than controlling it like an arcade game.
AfxTwn Apr 22, 2014 @ 2:33am 
When you go through corners in F1, I tend to brake before the corner on the straight line and then leave go of the throttle so I'm just coasting through the corner and then go back on to the throttle after I've exited the corner, is that right or wrong? I didn't know whether to carry on putting power on through the corner (but not full, just half or so). That could be where I'm losing time too.

I know F1 isn't like NFS games as it's nor an arcade game. But even playing something like Grid 2 which is a bit more sim-like, I find that much easier than F1.
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Date Posted: Apr 18, 2014 @ 10:47am
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