Why isn't this game available anymore?

[vekii]

?

[CombinedYT]

Yeah I noticed too. People said on my post that it was something to do with the licensing of the classic edition.

[vekii]

Tnx man, I stumbled upon it a lil later. I'd buy the ♥♥♥♥ out of that game now... too bad other sequels are garbage :( Cheers

[Inardesco]

Their licensing for the classic pack ran out.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by vekii:

Tnx man, I stumbled upon it a lil later. I'd buy the ♥♥♥♥ out of that game now... too bad other sequels are garbage :( Cheers

I recently played this with a friend and hate it. 2016 is better. The AI can actually overtake you, and they're not unfairly overpowered on slicks when it starts to rain or block you on purpose when lapping.

And my wheel doesn't work properly in this even though it's supported, which kills it

[Inardesco]

2016 AI crashes into you for no reason whereas 2013 AI actually has an awareness of where You, the player, are on the track.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

2016 AI crashes into you for no reason whereas 2013 AI actually has an awareness of where You, the player, are on the track.

I don't really have the crashing issue that much. Most of the time it's because people cross the line of AI when it's too late for them to avoid it. People generally hate to accept that they're doing something wrong so usually it's a topic you can't talk about.

People complained about this issue in Project CARS, too. Most players simply lack the awareness that's necessary for racing. Just being fast doesn't make you good at games like this.

2013 AI literally can't overtake you. They always chicken out in braking zones when you are near them, it's just boring to drive against them.

[Inardesco]

Right, so being hit in the braking zone by the AI classes as me doing something wrong because I want to make a turn, whilst on the racing line, without trying to defend. Got it.

I don't mind that the 2016 AI is more aggresive, but when I have to restart a race 20 times in less than 10 minutes because the AI pushes me off the track, in the barrier, in the rear constantly, then something is drastically wrong with it.

Even the 2010 AI, despite being dreadfully slow, has more awareness and takes 6 different lines to defend/overtake instead of the single line that's supposedly possible to code for 2016 AI.

All in all, the 2016 AI reminds me the GRID AI, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rubbish in player awareness.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Right, so being hit in the braking zone by the AI classes as me doing something wrong because I want to make a turn, whilst on the racing line, without trying to defend. Got it.

I don't mind that the 2016 AI is more aggresive, but when I have to restart a race 20 times in less than 10 minutes because the AI pushes me off the track, in the barrier, in the rear constantly, then something is drastically wrong with it.

Even the 2010 AI, despite being dreadfully slow, has more awareness and takes 6 different lines to defend/overtake instead of the single line that's supposedly possible to code for 2016 AI.

All in all, the 2016 AI reminds me the GRID AI, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rubbish in player awareness.

20 restarts in 10 minutes? You're either greatly exaggerating or really doing something wrong.

[Inardesco]

Why am I exaggerating for something that happened. I haven't even made it to the first pitstop in Melbourne career because AI, not me, the AI, crashed me out time and time again. So once again, how is it MY fault, when the AI LACKS player awareness?

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Why am I exaggerating for something that happened. I haven't even made it to the first pitstop in Melbourne career because AI, not me, the AI, crashed me out time and time again. So once again, how is it MY fault, when the AI LACKS player awareness?

If you really have that many restarts in such a short time, it's you, sorry to say. like 3 or 4, I could understand, but 20? No way.

Either way, most annoying part is the wheel support. Using it is just frustrating in 2013. It makes pointless snapping movements in slow corners, have fun in wet conditions with that unplayable crap. Works perfectly in 2015 and 2016 and that already makes it a LOT more enjoyable.

[lolschrauber]

https://youtu.be/4jSinGl8mX4

Here's an example of driver awareness to avoid colissions.

It was my first attempt at a start (a bad one, I admit) after someone claimed that it's literally impossible to make a start without getting crashed out by the AI on that track specifically.

[Inardesco]

RIght. it's totally me...Without trying to defend my position, the AI decides that where I am on the track, that's where they want to be and thus forces itself on that place.

And it's not the wheel support, it might just be you that makes pointless snapping movements in slow corners.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

RIght. it's totally me...Without trying to defend my position, the AI decides that where I am on the track, that's where they want to be and thus forces itself on that place.

And it's not the wheel support, it might just be you that makes pointless snapping movements in slow corners.

Yep it's just you and yes, it's bad wheel support. Sorry to break it to you.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

RIght. it's totally me...Without trying to defend my position, the AI decides that where I am on the track, that's where they want to be and thus forces itself on that place.

And it's not the wheel support, it might just be you that makes pointless snapping movements in slow corners.

The likelyhood is that you're not aware of their position, instead of vice-versa. I have the occasional issue, where they may cut across me when I'm going for an overtake that I really shouldn't, or if you're 4 wide into the first corner on Russia, not good xD

[D.M.E]

Originally posted by vekii:

Tnx man, I stumbled upon it a lil later. I'd buy the ♥♥♥♥ out of that game now... too bad other sequels are garbage :( Cheers

You may be able to grab a key from one of the key code sites if you look around,

I've done that with a few titles that got removed from the Steam store before I bought it.