Discussing the flaws of Oblivion

[Nerevars Goat Univeron]

I already know what the responses to this will be. I'l surely get a "Your just a filthy casual who can't handle a real RPG." or maybe "Stupid Morrowind fanboys." perhaps even the good old "Must be a troll." but this game is incredibly overrated.

The combat in this game is god awful and if you don't see any flaws in it then you need to realize how much of a fanboy you are. Always hitting makes no sense and takes all strategy out of combat. I have never held a sledge hammer in my life, but I guarentee you I couldn't hit a guy with it. It is not "realistic" to hit people as much as your character does, I am willing to bet your character would win in a fist fight with god. It is more realistic for your hit chance to go up, since you would get better at using your weapon and therefor better at hitting. The system doesn't aloow strategy since you can win just by clicking alot. Look at a game like XCOM, it's combat is done with a random chance, but there are factors to it. Your chance of hitting somebody goes up the closer you are to them. Keep in mind that in Oblivion, you always make contact with your weapon and once you have done so, you simply kill them. No chance of failure.There is no method to it, you always hit even if you have the IQ of a mentally incapacitated rock.

Characters are non-existant. Give the personality of any NPC, ANY at all. There is no personality, they are all just vending machines with crap dialogue. Morrowind may not have any realy memorable characters either, but at least they have personalities!

The journal is god awful. I will agree that it is annoying that the only way to know where to go in Morrowind is the journal. The thing is, Oblivions journal sucks. The lack of organization and really bad directions, it is terrible. What is worse, following a marker that tells you where to go instead of reciving indepth directions to a location. Some missions have completely wrong directions, it's a nightmare.

I don't blame people for liking it, even the aspects I have listed. People who do are only huge Oblivion fans. Don't use these in arguements against Morrowind. This game has the fan base it does because of blind fanboism, not because it holds up. Feel free to like it and refuse to see the flaws in it, but please don't posting that you are right in the most smug way possible. (I get that it is kind of ironic, but I am countering some of the main points used to say Oblivion>Morrowind, I have seen all of these used to call Oblivion casual like it is the best thing a game can be.) I'm sure some people will find Oblivion and like it, but those people make up a fraction of it's player base.

[JoshKillin]

I have 100 in everything. I can beat up God if I want to.

[Amycus]

I think you need to remember what the competition of this game looked like when it was first released. Yes, the combat is pretty bad by today's standards, you are pretty much just flailing with the weapon, and a common tactic is to get your athletics skill high, and then simply run backwards while waving your sword as the enemy is chasing you... (on the other hand, this hasnt changed much in Skyrim, so I would sooner argue that Skyrim is much more overrated. THe "weight" of the weapons as you swing them feels a lot better, but combat is still pretty much just flailing your weapon everywhere). For the time though, it was pretty darned good.

Will have to disagree with you on the journal system though. While I do hate how it started the now all too common all-knowing questarrow that everyone made fun of back then, but is an expected feature today (I die a little inside as I read how people are complaining about the lack of questarrows on the forums of Divinity:original sin), I think it worked really great. Maybe the best I have seen in any game despite the all too large font size. Skyrim did a lot worse with this in comparison.

I do find it odd however that you didnt list the really big problems with the game, like the level scaling of weapons and enemies though.

In comparison to Morrowind though, I will admit that Morrowind is a much better game than Oblivion in almost all areas. Not in combat though, and not in sidequests either. And the latter is the area where Oblivion truly shines. Despiter all of its problems, Obliivion is still one of my favorite games of all time thanks to its side quests, which I still consider to be the best compared to ANY game released before or since then.

Oh, and then there is the large modding community :)

[Metadragon]

Lol what? Its a sledgehammer dude. You just swing and if your close then bam, theres your hit, both in real life and the game, Oh and this applies regardless of your intelligence and actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥ can make the hit too if close enough... Are you actually suggesting RNG based accuracy for this game? Cause that would make you an idiot.

NPC writing for the whole series has been rather consistent and rather weak. There are notable characters in all but most are cardboard cutouts. Welcome to videogaming. Theres only so much to be done.

The Journal is bad. Map Markers are bad. What the actual ♥♥♥♥ do you want them to do?

Being a fan is not an issue or a problem.What I take issue with is this accusation being leveoled against some strawman fanboy where they seem to go around and tell people how perfect the game is.,, Something I have never seen being done by Oblivion or Skyrim fans and have seen done by Morrowind fans. Where the ♥♥♥♥ to get off trying to logical fallacy us into not liking something. Being a fan does not make you blind to its faults you moron.

What really grind my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gears is this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sentence.

Originally posted by Nerevars Goat Univeron:

I don't blame people for liking it, even the aspects I have listed. People who do are only huge Oblivion fans. Don't use these in arguements against Morrowind. This game has the fan base it does because of blind fanboism, not because it holds up. Feel free to like it and refuse to see the flaws in it, but please don't posting that you are right in the most smug way possible.

I'm sure some people will find Oblivion and like it, but those people make up a fraction of it's player base.

Don't use the same logical fallacies that your using on us against YOUR favorite game? The ♥♥♥♥ outta here troll. And clearly its not a small percentage since it sold as wsell as it did.

4/10 for making me respond. What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiot.

[Ravi]

Personal preference. I prefer this games combat over Skyrims. I enjoy its characters, especially Jauffrie and Martin. Voice acting is dull, but it is easy to get immersed in the world.

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http://steamcommunity.com/app/22320/discussions/0/540739319669322721/

This Oblivion thread was made in response to the linked thread's op in the Morrowind forums. While I didn't make this response thread I believe the point was to show how what was said was equally applicable to all the Elder Scrolls games and to point out what a troll\hypocrite the original poster actually was.

This thread was recently necroed by someone, who went on to delete all thier posts, who figured out that this thread's op was copied and felt the need to point it out.

As far as I understand it, this particular thread is a joke, I wouldn't bother taking it seriously.

[Nerevars Goat Univeron]

oh boy

[Alkpaz]

Originally posted by Nerevars Goat Univeron:

oh boy

Hey, at least you got a discussion after 2 years! :D

[Sales]

I would comment but id rather just ignore him and use the time it would take to comment to play the game... wait im commenting right now oops

[Metadragon]

Originally posted by sans the skeleton:

I would comment but id rather just ignore him and use the time it would take to comment to play the game... wait im commenting right now oops

Damn! Thats how they get ya lol. I should pay more attention. Didnt even notice the necro. Ppints still stand though