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[ShelLuser]

I'd say yes, but I guess it heavily depends who you're asking. The Vigils of Stendarr wouldn't be pleased, that's for sure, but I doubt that many others would care.

Some consider Deadra to be gods, and therefor it would be a blessing if you became their champion. Others obviously see them as demons.

[cyäegha]

i mean, is it really a sin, considering that neither the aedra nor daedra are really 'gods' in a traditional theological sense?

from the perspective of a dunmer from vvardenfell, or an orc in orsinium, worshipping the nine is probably a sin, speaking loosely

[Col Com Dante]

It depends on the culture and the Daedra in question. In Vvardenfell there are good and bad daedra to worship, alongside a different pantheon of living gods (before the events of Morrowind) Sheogorath is worshipped alongside the divines in Elsewyr. Malacath is obviously worshipped by Orcs. We know that Tiber Septim (an Aedra) is considered wrong to worship in Somerset Isle.

Originally posted by ShelLuser:

The Vigils of Stendarr wouldn't be pleased, that's for sure, but I doubt that many others would care.

As this is the Oblivion forum, the Vigilants aren't a thing yet. They were formed in response to the events of Oblivion.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by Rollo:

But there are some daedra whose concept goes clearly against the Nine devines commandments. Think of Molag Bal and The commandments to be good towards each other

If you're a worshipper of Molag Bal, then why would you subscribe to the Divine's ideas about "morality"?

Certainly a follower of the Divines would consider you to be a sinner, even if your fellow worshippers might not.

Note that this little problem wholly applies to the different religions in our reality, too.

[Col Com Dante]

There's also the opinion of Else God-Hater "The gods don't do a damn thing. Do they even exist? How could anyone tell? Daedra Lords, sure. They exist. They do things. Bad things, mostly, but things you can see. The gods? They don't do a damn thing.

[cyäegha]

considering the last time the aedra intervened we ended up with the whole st alessia and pelinal whitestrake versus the oppressive ayeleids saga, and the establishment of a recognisable divine pantheon...

actually surprises me that by the time of the white-gold concordat's signing that the thalmor only wrote off talos and not the rest of the nine

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basically, divines stop giving you blessings only if your char is truly evil. so i guess in tes all is more about the balance than rules.

Originally posted by cyäegha:

considering the last time the aedra intervened we ended up with the whole st alessia and pelinal whitestrake versus the oppressive ayeleids saga, and the establishment of a recognisable divine pantheon...

actually surprises me that by the time of the white-gold concordat's signing that the thalmor only wrote off talos and not the rest of the nine

this could also explain why divines are so distant. more power means more consequences when interfering...

Originally posted by Col Com Dante:

There's also the opinion of Else God-Hater "The gods don't do a damn thing. Do they even exist? How could anyone tell? Daedra Lords, sure. They exist. They do things. Bad things, mostly, but things you can see. The gods? They don't do a damn thing.

she's actually agitating, not just questioning, since... she's with mythic dawn from the beginning.

[Valden21]

I really think it depends on the specific Daedra and what they symbolize. Azurah, for example, seems to genuinely care about her worshippers and their welfare, judging by the fact that her quest involves mercy-killing some of her worshippers who have unwillingly become vampires. So I don't think the Nine as a group would really care about that example, and both Stendarr and Arkay would actually approve, since you're killing dangerous undead. After all, undead are anethema to what Arkay teaches, and Stendarr's all about fighting against supernatural dangers. So by doing Azurah's quest, you're actually killing three birds with one stone.

Some of the other Daedra, though? If it's Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon, then yeah, that's definitely bad.

[cyäegha]

i mean, the aedra at least seem to tolerate azura and meridia, but i wouldn't really call it approval

it could be as petty a reason as air-quotes-gods need worship badly, and worshipping the face of the coin denies them that, and that'd be as good a reason as any for a divine worshipper to hate daedra-lovers

[Valden21]

Originally posted by cyäegha:

i mean, the aedra at least seem to tolerate azura and meridia, but i wouldn't really call it approval

it could be as petty a reason as air-quotes-gods need worship badly, and worshipping the face of the coin denies them that, and that'd be as good a reason as any for a divine worshipper to hate daedra-lovers

I've never seen it like that, as the Nine have never really struck me as that petty. Considering the worship of divine beings other than the Nine to be a sin, full stop, when the Nine have got better things to do? Doesn't make sense for them. Besides, most of the mainstream gods have all the followers they already need, and the plot of the game itself is about renewing a pact that St. Alessia made with Akatosh back when Cyrodiil was controlled by the Ayleids. Don't forget, the gods willingly gave up part of themselves to create the physical world of the game, while the Daedra didn't. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see anything petty in something like that.

[󰀉tempeh󰀉]

Originally posted by Valden21:

I really think it depends on the specific Daedra and what they symbolize. Azurah, for example, seems to genuinely care about her worshippers and their welfare, judging by the fact that her quest involves mercy-killing some of her worshippers who have unwillingly become vampires. So I don't think the Nine as a group would really care about that example, and both Stendarr and Arkay would actually approve, since you're killing dangerous undead. After all, undead are anethema to what Arkay teaches, and Stendarr's all about fighting against supernatural dangers. So by doing Azurah's quest, you're actually killing three birds with one stone.

Some of the other Daedra, though? If it's Molag Bal or Mehrunes Dagon, then yeah, that's definitely bad.

Even Dagon isn't always bad. Revolutions can be just, volcanoes produce new lands, and destruction in service of a greater purpose can do good. He's just... usually bad. Like what he's doing right now, for instance.

Conversely, Meridia is usually considered good. The temple in Anvil likely sees things differently, though.

But yeah, Bal is just pure evil.

[cyäegha]

Originally posted by Valden21:

Don't forget, the gods willingly gave up part of themselves to create the physical world of the game, while the Daedra didn't. Maybe it's just me, but I don't really see anything petty in something like that.

perhaps petty isn't quite the right term for it; 'holier than thou', is probably more apt

i doubt that the aedra outright ignore the daedra, or are as dismissive of their actions as some people make them out to be, else the entire plotline regarding relighting the dragonfires wouldn't even make any sense

in turn, i can see them regarding daedra worshippers with scorn, knowing that the nine purport to uphold what they consider just, while daedra are seen as avatars of avarice, lust and wrath

while it might not be a 'sin', as such, nor are they truly desperate for that-one-extra-follower, i highly doubt that the nine are ambivalent to the worship of daedra

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let's not forget that right and wrong things supposed to look different for us and for our characters. presumably, if we had played more tes games (maybe even all of them?) before, of course we should be able to have better insights about what's wrong and what's right.