EA should take a look at TES 4 Oblivion.

[VVaЯF0xу]

Huge success. 190k players peak at mid week. No marketing, just throw it and collect paycheck. And its 60$, so its huge profits for a remaster. We need such treatment for RA2.

[Monokuma]

They tried that with Command & Conquer + Red Alert 1 but I guess the sales metrics weren't enough to warrant continuing towards TibSun and RA2, despite the developers asking to do those as well.

[fakemon64]

lmfao at thinking a red alert 2 remaster would do numbers any where near what the oblivion remaster just did. Even if they completely remade the game from the ground up and reshot the live action scenes, theres no way that they would be able to pull off anything remotely similar.

And this is coming from a total fanboy for rts and anything C&C

[Fulano]

A niche RTS won't do even close to those numbers sadly, and corporations tend to only spend time on the biggest money makers.

[Monokuma]

Also yeah I wouldn't have put it the way fakemon said it but C&C has never had the mass market appeal that the elder scrolls has had, RTS has been a more niche pocket by comparison.

[ドイツ総編隊]

they dont know how to use their IP

[ドイツ総編隊]

Bethesda won again

[J4MESOX4D]

Originally posted by Monokuma:

They tried that with Command & Conquer + Red Alert 1 but I guess the sales metrics weren't enough to warrant continuing towards TibSun and RA2, despite the developers asking to do those as well.

People have also been begging for a sequel or re-imagining of Generals for many years now but that's fallen upon deaf ears. That would probably be the game that has the most mainstream appeal for the series but if they aren't interested in that, we certainly wont see another game in this franchise.

Even with Tempest Rising coming out recently to some success, it still couldn't break the 10k player counts and EA will probably take note of that too.

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by Monokuma:

They tried that with Command & Conquer + Red Alert 1 but I guess the sales metrics weren't enough to warrant continuing towards TibSun and RA2, despite the developers asking to do those as well.

The problem with original Command & Conquer + Red Alert 1 is, that these games are too "obsolete" today, Red Alert 1 needed remake (modernisation), not remaster.

I guess, that they made mistake by remastering original C&Cs and not TibSun and RA2

[Zef]

Originally posted by Monokuma:

They tried that with Command & Conquer + Red Alert 1 but I guess the sales metrics weren't enough to warrant continuing towards TibSun and RA2, despite the developers asking to do those as well.

They made the mistake of choosing the most dated and mechanically obsolote one first.

THe majority of the jank inherent to the limitations of RTS gaming in the 90's is still there.

I'm not delusional enough to think RA2 remake would have sold millions but it would have sold at least double then then the Red Alert 1 remaster.

[minniefinnie]

ra1 + cnc remaster still sold pretty well considering they are the most dated games ra2 remaster would probably sell decently given it still gets around 1k players on cncnet at peakhours 20+ years later ea probably just thinks it aint worth the time compared to making yet another fifa game an makin stacks of money from casuals who eat all slop put infront o em

[Cat]

Originally posted by Zef:

Originally posted by Monokuma:

They tried that with Command & Conquer + Red Alert 1 but I guess the sales metrics weren't enough to warrant continuing towards TibSun and RA2, despite the developers asking to do those as well.

They made the mistake of choosing the most dated and mechanically obsolote one first.

THe majority of the jank inherent to the limitations of RTS gaming in the 90's is still there.

I'm not delusional enough to think RA2 remake would have sold millions but it would have sold at least double then then the Red Alert 1 remaster.

The first 2 games needed a remaster more because these games still have their fanbase and modding community and RA2 can still be played on modern computers. It also makes sense to start from the earliest first.

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by Cat:

Originally posted by Zef:

They made the mistake of choosing the most dated and mechanically obsolote one first.

THe majority of the jank inherent to the limitations of RTS gaming in the 90's is still there.

I'm not delusional enough to think RA2 remake would have sold millions but it would have sold at least double then then the Red Alert 1 remaster.

The first 2 games needed a remaster more because these games still have their fanbase and modding community and RA2 can still be played on modern computers. It also makes sense to start from the earliest first.

Wrong.

The first 2 C&C games are simple too obsolete. These games have fanbase, but it is more "niche community"

The first 2 C&C games can be also played on modern computers (aside of remaster collection)

Originally posted by Cat:

It also makes sense to start from the earliest first.

Well not really, it is more complex.
You can actually see, that they do not continue with Tiberian Sun and RA2 remasters, because C&C Remaseter collection "did not hit the target"

It would make sense to remaster Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 first, because these games are able to attract new players, and their gameplay stands up today.

The first 2 C&C games are only for nostalgia.

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by minniefinnie:

ra1 + cnc remaster still sold pretty well...

Than why they did not continue with TibSun and RA2 remasters?

[Cat]

Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 also were obsolete and for nostalgia. But people still wanted a remaster. The remastered collection did attract a lot of people and definitely put a lot of positives on EA's reputation for once. I would argue these games are best played in chronological order so starting to remaster the earliest one would be good. Then, they can start remastering the next C&C games but off course they won't because they don't usually listen to their fans.

If they release TD and RA remasters after TS and RA2 remasters, it would be weird because the earlier games have less QOL so they should be releasing in order of their release dates to show the growth of the remasters, not releasing a game with less QOL after. This is why I'm always a fan of going with the older games first.

Originally posted by Lotor13:

Originally posted by minniefinnie:

ra1 + cnc remaster still sold pretty well...

Than why they did not continue with TibSun and RA2 remasters?

Because EA hates remastering old games. They rather make C&C Legions despite the utter failure of Rivals and choose to ignore remastering old games when a lot of people showed interest in the remastered collection. Otherwise, we would have RA2 remastered 10 years ago.

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by Cat:

Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 also were obsolete and for nostalgia.

No.

Take Age of Empires 1 & 2 for comparison.

Age of Empires 2 is also old (1999), but its gameplay stands up today and it is able to attract new players. It is same with the Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2.

Age of Empires 1 (1997) is simple too obsolete and its gameplay does not stand up today, and first 2 C&C are even older and more obsolete.

Originally posted by Cat:

I would argue these games are best played in chronological order so starting to remaster the earliest one would be good.

You can argue for whatever You want, but the hard fact is, that the gameplay of first 2 C&C games does not stand up today. These games are "legends", which help to definate RTS genre, but "aged" badly.

Originally posted by Cat:

The remastered collection did attract a lot of people and definitely put a lot of positives on EA's reputation for once.

No, it did not attract that many people. C&C remaster collection is niche product mainly for a people who played it back in 90'.

C&C Red Alert 2 on Steam has more players than all first generation C&C (Remaster collection + separate non remaster C&C RA, TD from coll)

https://steamcharts.com/search/?q=command+and+conquer

Originally posted by Cat:

Originally posted by Lotor13:

Than why they did not continue with TibSun and RA2 remasters?

Because EA hates remastering old games.

No. Put facts together.

C&C Remaster collection was not succesful as the EA expected, and this was becasue it did not attract that many people as they wanted. The issue is, that first C&C is not able to atract new players like Age of Empires 2, because its gameplay simple does not stand up today. C&C collection as actually very good remaster, the problem is its gameplay.