Is Charge Shot 4 worth it?

[Diamond Girls]

Im thinking of getting it, but I recall in campaign, it's hard to use it on moving target, especially at max damage (2.83 sec, per Raid Mode 101) guide.

But in raid mode, has anyone use it regularly? I read it's very good on pale rider.

What do u think?

[t_steinke]

You can save ammo but I use it just for fun.
It can inflict insane damage on a Muramasa, but it works also fine on Pale Rider, Python, Hawk and M40.
Its obvious that you get the best benefit of it on a weapon with great base damage power.
Second: you may want use a weapon with great daze power. One hit should push the enemy back or better take him down that you get the time for re-charging if you don’t get a one-shot-kill.
Luckily, weapon with high daze are these with the highest damage.
I also recommend to combine charge shot with piercing on a magnum.
Be careful that you don’t find yourself cornered by enemies when using charge shot and don’t try that on the GS-Bridge unless you are very experienced with charge shot.
By the way, did you know that’s possible to daze scagdeads without stun grenades but with a M40 and full burst? I just learned that. It was great fun to see these bastards dazed and stunned even unable to throw their traps.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

You can save ammo but I use it just for fun.
It can inflict insane damage on a Muramasa, but it works also fine on Pale Rider, Python, Hawk and M40.
Its obvious that you get the best benefit of it on a weapon with great base damage power.
Second: you may want use a weapon with great daze power. One hit should push the enemy back or better take him down that you get the time for re-charging if you don’t get a one-shot-kill.
Luckily, weapon with high daze are these with the highest damage.
I also recommend to combine charge shot with piercing on a magnum.
Be careful that you don’t find yourself cornered by enemies when using charge shot and don’t try that on the GS-Bridge unless you are very experienced with charge shot.
By the way, did you know that’s possible to daze scagdeads without stun grenades but with a M40 and full burst? I just learned that. It was great fun to see these bastards dazed and stunned even unable to throw their traps.

Nice tips. Do u think it's helpful in magnum only no gluttony run? I would like to try the charge shot part on pale rider lvl 50.

In GS, using the glitch I can only worry about Tricones. Except for a few that goes directly towards me. Im sure it would be fun to cheese them with charge shot. Lol.

And for sniper rifle against shark dudes, thats news to me. Thanks for mentioning it.

[t_steinke]

I dazed scagdeads with the M40, no shark dudes😊
I think it works for a magnum no gluttony.
But don’t forget, if you use a burst, only the first shot is charged!

[t_steinke]

I did a short all Magnum no gluttony GS run for testing if the deck-fight is possible . Used 2 Pale rider (short range+, steady hand) and LHawk. Charged shot IV on the short range+ Pale rider and charge III on Hawk. The steady hand Pale rider with burst 3.
The bridge was a mess with charged shot, i was lucky to bring that Hawk with me.
Ammo magnet on the main weapon and 3x cornucopia V are mandatory, if you want to survive the deck. Same goes for piercing if you don’t have a Grimm Reaper.
You need pockets for shock and decoy grenades.
Norman can cause some trouble.
He is hard to hit with CS IV, charging takes to much time, and you are doomed if you finally miss his heart LOL.
Scored min. 20k damage on Norman with charge shot III, but you have to hit him in the back.
As expected, I was out of ammo in front of Ghost Norman. But it was no problem, sneaking around the container, charge and shoot him in the back takes a long time. You will always recover enough ammo for that.
A full run should be no problem. But you will have to wait ages for ammo or you do some work with the knife. The same like a machine gun run...

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

I dazed scagdeads with the M40, no shark dudes😊
I think it works for a magnum no gluttony.
But don’t forget, if you use a burst, only the first shot is charged!

Oh right my mistake lol. Its scagdead. XD

Thanks for the heads up i wont do burst for sure, especially with no gluttony run.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

I did a short all Magnum no gluttony GS run for testing if the deck-fight is possible . Used 2 Pale rider (short range+, steady hand) and LHawk. Charged shot IV on the short range+ Pale rider and charge III on Hawk. The steady hand Pale rider with burst 3.
The bridge was a mess with charged shot, i was lucky to bring that Hawk with me.
Ammo magnet on the main weapon and 3x cornucopia V are mandatory, if you want to survive the deck. Same goes for piercing if you don’t have a Grimm Reaper.
You need pockets for shock and decoy grenades.
Norman can cause some trouble.
He is hard to hit with CS IV, charging takes to much time, and you are doomed if you finally miss his heart LOL.
Scored min. 20k damage on Norman with charge shot III, but you have to hit him in the back.
As expected, I was out of ammo in front of Ghost Norman. But it was no problem, sneaking around the container, charge and shoot him in the back takes a long time. You will always recover enough ammo for that.
A full run should be no problem. But you will have to wait ages for ammo or you do some work with the knife. The same like a machine gun run...

I appreciate the effort and time u put to test this out (for me). Thank u so much 🙏

Maybe I would do it on lvl 49 instead. My longest GN fight was 15 mins and that seems forever (when I did the "one weapon only run" , which I used a lightweight LH sonic assist+, with gluttony of course XD).

How long did u fight GN when u tested the no gluttony run on magnum? I think I'll pass for lvl 50. Still want to try the charge shot for the next run on lvl 49.

Did u use glitch on the bridge? It would be a mess without using it.

[t_steinke]

No, I didn’t use the glitch on the bridge and it was a mess. I recommend strongly to equip damage against sea creatures for the shark dudes and a lot of shock grenades.
Final fight against GN took me around 10 minutes (maybe a little more). I shoot him 2x3 rounds directly in the back as he appeared and then I falled back behind the container and get him some charged shoots. I was exited so I don’t remember the exact damage figures but I did decent damage in phase one with the short range pale rider. With Goliath, dehumanizer and a fully charged shot you have a blank damage of far more then 100k. Coz his heavy immunity Norman suffered still about 3k - 6k each hit in Phase 1.
In Phase 2 you can quickly finish him.
It took me 3 cycles to get him down. When you recover 60 rounds in 10 minutes it should be enough.
Normal Norman was more challenging.
I wouldn’t go it at lev 49 unless you have good Magnums at lv 49.
If you use these lv 50 Pale riders at lv 49 you will
get in trouble and probably killed by normal Norman or out of ammo early.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

No, I didn’t use the glitch on the bridge and it was a mess. I recommend strongly to equip damage against sea creatures for the shark dudes and a lot of shock grenades.
Final fight against GN took me around 10 minutes (maybe a little more). I shoot him 2x3 rounds directly in the back as he appeared and then I falled back behind the container and get him some charged shoots. I was exited so I don’t remember the exact damage figures but I did decent damage in phase one with the short range pale rider. With Goliath, dehumanizer and a fully charged shot you have a blank damage of far more then 100k. Coz his heavy immunity Norman suffered still about 3k - 6k each hit in Phase 1.
In Phase 2 you can quickly finish him.
It took me 3 cycles to get him down. When you recover 60 rounds in 10 minutes it should be enough.
Normal Norman was more challenging.
I wouldn’t go it at lev 49 unless you have good Magnums at lv 49.
If you use these lv 50 Pale riders at lv 49 you will
get in trouble and probably killed by normal Norman or out of ammo early.

Wow I cant wait. I really need to get that part asap.

Good job on dealing with Ghost Norman. Thanks for reminding me. I decided to just go to lvl 50. Most of my challenges are set to that level anyway. There is no turning back now XD

[t_steinke]

Ok, Good luck and let me know. I will repeat this run too

[t_steinke]

Did a second run😊
Much better. Killed Ghost Norman in about 5 Minutes. I did wait and recovered 30 rounds before I broke the medal. The key is, to do much damage as possible when he appears. Used the burst3 on the ShortRange+ Pale rider.
After that you can try to dodge his attacks and hit him from behind or you hide (if your ammo is low) and try get some good hits. Body hits are almost useless even with charge shot you will do hardly 1000 damage but that’s also working. So I made it in the first cycle.
Which handguns do you use for handgun only? I will go for this next.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

Ok, Good luck and let me know. I will repeat this run too

Thank you. The mission was successful. I finished it yesterday, without charge shot (I cant wait for it to start the magnum only run).

I used Thunder Raptor 3 slots for normal enemies and to get ammo, and pale rider lvl 50 5 slots for the bosses.

I didn't wait for the ammo recovery except during Rachel fight. It is the only time I can recover ammo while dodging her attacks (it lasted around 5 mins) and after that I have enough ammo to face 1st Norman. Since I was using magnum, I easily get pass through him. The 2nd Norman is more challenging as I have to knife him so he can rage. Then killed him after about 12 mins.

I didnt use burst 3 or full burst as part of challenge (but more on because I will waste ammo).

The run was 1 hr and 49 mins. lol

Thanks for the support. If not coz of u I couldnt have done the challenge. Im really got lucky to do it at 1st attempt. It's a lot easier than machine gun only I'd say coz of damage.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

Did a second run😊
Much better. Killed Ghost Norman in about 5 Minutes. I did wait and recovered 30 rounds before I broke the medal. The key is, to do much damage as possible when he appears. Used the burst3 on the ShortRange+ Pale rider.
After that you can try to dodge his attacks and hit him from behind or you hide (if your ammo is low) and try get some good hits. Body hits are almost useless even with charge shot you will do hardly 1000 damage but that’s also working. So I made it in the first cycle.
Which handguns do you use for handgun only? I will go for this next.

Nice tactics u did there. It's impressive that u did only for 5 mins facing GN.

For handguns, my 1st pistol only run without gluttony are combination of Chimaera and Dictator. The 2nd attempt was Revelator and Slaughter. I can say Revelator is better than Dictator due to fire rate. Slaughter is no where good coz it wastes ammo, but I have to include it on the test.

Good luck on your handgun only run.

[t_steinke]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Originally posted by t_steinke:

Ok, Good luck and let me know. I will repeat this run too

Thank you. The mission was successful. I finished it yesterday, without charge shot (I cant wait for it to start the magnum only run).

I used Thunder Raptor 3 slots for normal enemies and to get ammo, and pale rider lvl 50 5 slots for the bosses.

I didn't wait for the ammo recovery except during Rachel fight. It is the only time I can recover ammo while dodging her attacks (it lasted around 5 mins) and after that I have enough ammo to face 1st Norman. Since I was using magnum, I easily get pass through him. The 2nd Norman is more challenging as I have to knife him so he can rage. Then killed him after about 12 mins.

I didnt use burst 3 or full burst as part of challenge (but more on because I will waste ammo).

The run was 1 hr and 49 mins. lol

Thanks for the support. If not coz of u I couldnt have done the challenge. Im really got lucky to do it at 1st attempt. It's a lot easier than machine gun only I'd say coz of damage.

Congrats for doing it. The long is not a great surprise, I also need 45 min for the „short“ run
Well done!

[t_steinke]

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Originally posted by t_steinke:

Did a second run😊
Much better. Killed Ghost Norman in about 5 Minutes. I did wait and recovered 30 rounds before I broke the medal. The key is, to do much damage as possible when he appears. Used the burst3 on the ShortRange+ Pale rider.
After that you can try to dodge his attacks and hit him from behind or you hide (if your ammo is low) and try get some good hits. Body hits are almost useless even with charge shot you will do hardly 1000 damage but that’s also working. So I made it in the first cycle.
Which handguns do you use for handgun only? I will go for this next.

Nice tactics u did there. It's impressive that u did only for 5 mins facing GN.

For handguns, my 1st pistol only run without gluttony are combination of Chimaera and Dictator. The 2nd attempt was Revelator and Slaughter. I can say Revelator is better than Dictator due to fire rate. Slaughter is no where good coz it wastes ammo, but I have to include it on the test.

Good luck on your handgun only run.

Great, that you got iron balls and did some knife work at ghost Norman.
Amazing, that you did that hand gun run without gluttony.
I will use Dictator and Relevator. Not sure about the third. I have a government easy grip (don’t think about that one) so will probably use one of my M92F (short range + or sonic assist+ or a G18.
After that Ingo for a rifle only run

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by t_steinke:

Originally posted by Diamond Girls:

Thank you. The mission was successful. I finished it yesterday, without charge shot (I cant wait for it to start the magnum only run).

I used Thunder Raptor 3 slots for normal enemies and to get ammo, and pale rider lvl 50 5 slots for the bosses.

I didn't wait for the ammo recovery except during Rachel fight. It is the only time I can recover ammo while dodging her attacks (it lasted around 5 mins) and after that I have enough ammo to face 1st Norman. Since I was using magnum, I easily get pass through him. The 2nd Norman is more challenging as I have to knife him so he can rage. Then killed him after about 12 mins.

I didnt use burst 3 or full burst as part of challenge (but more on because I will waste ammo).

The run was 1 hr and 49 mins. lol

Thanks for the support. If not coz of u I couldnt have done the challenge. Im really got lucky to do it at 1st attempt. It's a lot easier than machine gun only I'd say coz of damage.

Congrats for doing it. The long is not a great surprise, I also need 45 min for the „short“ run
Well done!

Thank u :)

This is probably the last challenge I have in mind. I dont know if I will go further.