Balance patch

[Skunk(Sweden)]

Buff Chang, he's garbage. He's not viable. He will never win a tournament. Just buff Chang; no one will complain.

Because this game only exists on the PC, there's no risk of splitting the fanbase. Every one only plays on PC anyway. There is no console or arcade version. So don't worry about different balancing on different versions, just go for it, dudes

[Skunk(Sweden)]

Kasumi too, she's pretty bad

[Reifam]

Originally posted by Sweden Hagel:

Kasumi too, she's pretty bad

Kasumi is strong IMO. Her slashes cover a ton of space and she's got very solid combos. She's placed mid-tier on the tier list I have from Chinese players.
With chang I am more inclined to agree, but have you tried his air buttons? They're nutty.
Also there IS an arcade version of this, on the NESICAxLive system for years prior to the steam version.

[Skunk(Sweden)]

Originally posted by Reifam:

Originally posted by Sweden Hagel:

Kasumi too, she's pretty bad

Kasumi is strong IMO. Her slashes cover a ton of space and she's got very solid combos. She's placed mid-tier on the tier list I have from Chinese players.
With chang I am more inclined to agree, but have you tried his air buttons? They're nutty.
Also there IS an arcade version of this, on the NESICAxLive system for years prior to the steam version.

Ok, leave Kasumi. I don't know this game well enough yet to know who exactly should be buffed.

[Obdilord]

There is no way that they'll release patch notes for this game. lmao

It was released a very long time ago and the effort their putting into this game is more than enough already.

[Tsuyoi Yuki]

I wish people would STOP speaking against updating a game's balance. If that's the case then NO ONE should UPDATE the game's netcode. Just because the game is old. Doesn't meant the quality of the game's balance needs to remain the same. And players should WANT more viable characters in their game. No one wants a game where you can't play your favorite characters competitively...where it matters...and they are trash.

Some characters in the game need not only nerfs and buffs. But also definitely more or more variety of combo/juggle routes. Like for example Kensou, the fact he can't combo in to super after proxy 6236P makes zero sense to me.

If the game's netcode can get a QOL enhancement, so can the game's character balance.

And please don't even bring up it would be a waste of time, or it would cost too much money, or all that other B.S excuses people come up with. Cause all of that could be applied to the netcode. SNK isn't even updating the netcode themselves. They hired a company to do it AFAIK.

[Obdilord]

Kof98umfe is already a more balanced version of og 98 and 98um. The only reason why the game is getting updated netcode is because beforehand it was practically unplayable due to horrible netcode and because the community simply wants netcode updates to these old games, not balance updates. If they applied balance updates to age old games then the communities revolving around those games would be furious.

Kof98umfe accomplished it's initial goal of making more characters viable as most of the roster is actually usuable. Sadly there will always be outliers of characters who may end up unintentionally strong or weak but that's the case for every fighting game regardless of age.

All it needs is a netcode patch. As having one character weak in a game is honestly extremely good. somebody has to be the worst character in the game and this time it's Chang.

[Reifam]

Originally posted by Emperor__Snow:

I wish people would STOP speaking against updating a game's balance. If that's the case then NO ONE should UPDATE the game's netcode. Just because the game is old. Doesn't meant the quality of the game's balance needs to remain the same. And players should WANT more viable characters in their game. No one wants a game where you can't play your favorite characters competitively...where it matters...and they are trash.

Some characters in the game need not only nerfs and buffs. But also definitely more or more variety of combo/juggle routes. Like for example Kensou, the fact he can't combo in to super after proxy 6236P makes zero sense to me.

If the game's netcode can get a QOL enhancement, so can the game's character balance.

And please don't even bring up it would be a waste of time, or it would cost too much money, or all that other B.S excuses people come up with. Cause all of that could be applied to the netcode. SNK isn't even updating the netcode themselves. They hired a company to do it AFAIK.

Equating balance updates to netcode updates makes no sense. One changes the state of the game itself, the other allows more people to play the existing game over longer-distance connections more smoothly. Just seems like a childish "well if I don't get my thing, then nobody gets to have anything" mindset.
I'm not against balance updates for this. No FG with more than one character has perfect balance, and there may be areas where further nerfs or buffs would be nice, although of course it's up to player opinion in many cases. Maybe regular Joe could have his knockdown sweep back. Maybe Kim blocked divekick into sweep shouldn't catch people jumping. Maybe Choi should just be deleted from the game, lol. But at the same time I understand why some of these things are the way they are. Joe's slide has differences to make you make a choice between regular and EX. Kim has that setup because having good offense is part of his identity. And as for choi, well maybe someone likes him, idk. Maybe they thought Kensou having that combo would be too powerful, perhaps for the same reasons Takuma can't do charge kicks into his super. Balancing a fighting game is difficult with a lot of things to consider, although there are some more obvious cases where characters are over or undertuned. Let's say we all agree that Chang needs buffs. What aspect of him do we touch?

[Reifam]

And does Code Mystics even have the permission to mess with balance? I don't know what agreement they have with SNK, but it may include not touching the character properties, instead just doing the netcode and porting work to different platforms. I haven't heard of them doing a balance pass on any of the other stuff they've ported, so them doing it here would be a first I think.

[Doc Holiday]

People here are making sure to annoy Code Mystics enough so they will never help the community again with fantastic updates like they are doing now.

The people here claiming for balance patches can't even play the game in a high level. A bunch of scrubs just trolling the board with random requests.

[八神アンドレ伊織]

A rebalance for this game probably would be possible only with a new version for 98 UM,and unfortunately I dont see SNK nowadays releasing another version of this KOF

[Tsuyoi Yuki]

Originally posted by Obdilord:

If they applied balance updates to age old games then the communities revolving around those games would be furious.

so then why make new games within that series? why does any older game HAVE TO REMAIN stuck with broken, glitchy, and unbalanced garbage. when it can be improved.

you think a community of players would be "furious" because you made their beloved game more competitively viable?

[Tsuyoi Yuki]

Originally posted by Reifam:

And does Code Mystics even have the permission to mess with balance? I don't know what agreement they have with SNK, but it may include not touching the character properties, instead just doing the netcode and porting work to different platforms. I haven't heard of them doing a balance pass on any of the other stuff they've ported, so them doing it here would be a first I think.

unfortunately, this is a good point.

[Tsuyoi Yuki]

Originally posted by Doc Holiday:

People here are making sure to annoy Code Mystics enough so they will never help the community again with fantastic updates like they are doing now.

The people here claiming for balance patches can't even play the game in a high level. A bunch of scrubs just trolling the board with random requests.

Calling people scrubs yet I have zero clue who you are as a top level player. Yeah you sound real "important" there buddy. What, you missed your stop on the short bus home or something? Cause you sound like you need to catch another one.

What kind or idiot thinks asking for a balance patch, AST music, online training mode, and etc. are just random ideas to a potential fighting game update?

Clearly...if you dont ask for ♥♥♥♥, you dont get ♥♥♥♥. How do you even think you're getting the rollback update here in the first place dummy?

STFU dude...

Oh what do we have here....

https://steamcommunity.com/app/222440/discussions/0/3080999687766378754/

Look at the big tough guy calling us scrubs asking code mystics for dreamcast extras in an old ass KOF game.

[HeavyBogard[EU]]

the game is balanced enough, and if you are not a pro you have no idea what to balance and what not. chang is pretty dope.

[Reifam]

Originally posted by Emperor__Snow:

Originally posted by Obdilord:

If they applied balance updates to age old games then the communities revolving around those games would be furious.

so then why make new games within that series? why does any older game HAVE TO REMAIN stuck with broken, glitchy, and unbalanced garbage. when it can be improved.

you think a community of players would be "furious" because you made their beloved game more competitively viable?

You're overexaggerating the issue to make your point seem stronger. Yeah there's a few areas where buffs or nerfs could improve balance, but it's not like this game is some unplayable kusoge like Hokuto no Ken as it stands (and even then some madlads still play it). In the case of KOF, high level players routinely run random select sets.
Also, while I don't think they'd be furious, making a balance pass isn't necessarily a universally-praised thing. In 2008 Sirloin made an "HD Remix" version of SSF2T which came with rebalancing of all characters... and after a while most players just continued to play the original ST, warts and all rather than this release.