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MISSION CONTROL Jan 27 @ 1:28am

Yet another smash clone is dead

sorry to tell you
edit: This is #1 megathread in rivals, feel free to join :D just don't be mean and stupid

Last edited by MISSION CONTROL; Jan 31 @ 3:58pm

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Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
Could you please copy or paraphrase concerns about the game?

Yeah sure man,

Disclaimer: This isn't actually rage bait, if I have this right Mission Control is a $50 backer who is legitimately very disappointed with the direction the devs chose, and their inability to address backer concerns.

Due to how far out of hand this discussion has gone due to a particular furry you may or may not know if you spend a bit of time in these forums, allow me to recap what the actual arguments being made are.

First of all, better explaining the points that OP is making because the discussion began intentionally vague.

Mission Control believes that the rivals 2 has absolutely failed to find a good audience, and therefore is suffering.

Specifically, the argument being made is that the game didn't pander to newer players of fighting games due to how overbalanced and overly competitive it is, alienating ult players, brawlhalla players, etc., and failed to stay true to the unique mechanics roa1 had that many people fell in love with, betraying die hard fans of their first work who were expecting more of what they like.

They instead, targeting melee players, "who, as always, prefer melee"

Frankly, not many have argued against these points, instead, discussing if its actually a problem or not. What is or is not a thriving community is incredibly vague so using player charts is what has been used most often to quantify how big a game is.

In support of mission control:

The game's recent player count has been incredibly low as of recent, especially for an only 2 month old game that just got a major update, with numbers not much higher than the likes of Multiversus, which everyone here mutually agrees is dead.

In opposition:

The game's community is still pretty active and it got a recent seat at evo, not a very large one but a seat nonetheless. Somebody also got a statistic that the game has gotten 12k unique visitors in the past week, but when asked to provide the source, their failure proved to severely undermine the legitimacy of such a claim.

How it got out of hand:

Whilst the user Baalf was defending the rivals devs for the choices they had made, Mission Control responded and mentioned that a large part of the community consists of furries. While this was an unrequired statement in the grand scheme of things, it was relatively inoffensive, but, Baalf took this statement, the fact they even dared to bring up their identification, to heart, and the discussion quickly evolved into random and unassorted accusations of furryphobia, bigotry, etc., much to the dismay of literally everyone else.

Mission Control, I suppose not fully anticipating just how offended Baalf would get, continued to respond, which, intentionally or not, added more fuel to the fire. Thus resulting in what is so far the biggest discussion page in roa2.

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MISSION CONTROL Jan 28 @ 2:05pm

let's sum it up again.

they alienated every player completely new to fgc by only giving hardcore competitive experience and feeding them to backers

they betrayed their core fans by adding shields grabs and floorhugging, the most unintuitive mechanics to a R1 fan.

didn't fully satisfy ult players (a lot of whining about apm and input precision)

targeted melee fans who, as always, prefer melee

#16

ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2 has Rivals of Aether II

Jan 28 @ 2:39pm

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
let's sum it up again.

they alienated every player completely new to fgc by only giving hardcore competitive experience and feeding them to backers

they betrayed their core fans by adding shields grabs and floorhugging, the most unintuitive mechanics to a R1 fan.

didn't fully satisfy ult players (a lot of whining about apm and input precision)

targeted melee fans who, as always, prefer melee

I thought you were rage baiting at first but this is actually so true damn. The game's still pretty good on its own but yeah it was really mishandled.

#17

Baalf

Jan 28 @ 3:15pm

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
let's sum it up again.

they alienated every player completely new to fgc by only giving hardcore competitive experience and feeding them to backers.

No, they haven't. They HAVE been trying to work on the game. They've tried to nerf things like floor-hugging and shields so that they're managable.

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
they betrayed their core fans by adding shields grabs and floorhugging, the most unintuitive mechanics to a R1 fan.

Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. I've played the hell out of R1, yet I'm still able to appreciate what R2 does. I also don't find shields, shield grabbing and floor hugging to be as big of a problem as you make it out to be.

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
didn't fully satisfy ult players (a lot of whining about apm and input precision)

You can't please everyone.

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
targeted melee fans who, as always, prefer melee

Right, because the overly slippery and unbalanced Melee is so much better than the smoother, more balanced gameplay of R2, right? Sure, not perfectly balanced, but everyone's at least usable, especially combared to characters in Melee.

#18

Scrimblo

Jan 28 @ 7:44pm

Boo ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hoo bro

#19

Meat Man (Alfons) has Rivals of Aether II

Jan 29 @ 3:59am

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
let's sum it up again.

they alienated every player completely new to fgc by only giving hardcore competitive experience and feeding them to backers

they betrayed their core fans by adding shields grabs and floorhugging, the most unintuitive mechanics to a R1 fan.

didn't fully satisfy ult players (a lot of whining about apm and input precision)

targeted melee fans who, as always, prefer melee

'betrayed' lol

#20

Baalf

Jan 29 @ 5:06am

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
Blah blah blah, yiff in hell, furf@&!

I thought so! It's not the game itself, is it? It's because it's about those "oh-so horrible furf@&$." Genshit Impact and Granblu Vanity Versus are right there if you want games that refuse to put non-human playables in their games.

Last edited by Baalf; Jan 29 @ 5:07am

#21

Panto

Jan 29 @ 5:22am

Melle is a wonderful difficult game and they made a new IP that modernize it im a new player learning and having fun , you just have to be willing \-0-/ i dont get why you guys spark fires out of no where , we should be working together to make it work not kill it

#22

MISSION CONTROL Jan 29 @ 5:55am

Originally posted by Baalf:
Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
Blah blah blah, yiff in hell, furf@&!

I thought so! It's not the game itself, is it? It's because it's about those "oh-so horrible furf@&$." Genshit Impact and Granblu Vanity Versus are right there if you want games that refuse to put non-human playables in their games.

what?.... it's not even my quote.. what are you talking about... are all furry fans like that?

#23

ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2 has Rivals of Aether II

Jan 29 @ 6:54am

Originally posted by Baalf:
Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
Blah blah blah, yiff in hell, furf@&!

I thought so! It's not the game itself, is it? It's because it's about those "oh-so horrible furf@&$." Genshit Impact and Granblu Vanity Versus are right there if you want games that refuse to put non-human playables in their games.

Oh great we’re here again

#24

Vic Viper

Jan 29 @ 7:01am

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
Originally posted by Baalf:

I thought so! It's not the game itself, is it? It's because it's about those "oh-so horrible furf@&$." Genshit Impact and Granblu Vanity Versus are right there if you want games that refuse to put non-human playables in their games.
what?.... it's not even my quote.. what are you talking about... are all furry fans like that?

No, I find him quite ridiculous too. Don't worry. Regardless of our differing opinions on the game, I'd never get behind that guy with his behavior.

#25

Baalf

Jan 29 @ 7:05am

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
Originally posted by Baalf:

I thought so! It's not the game itself, is it? It's because it's about those "oh-so horrible furf@&$." Genshit Impact and Granblu Vanity Versus are right there if you want games that refuse to put non-human playables in their games.
what?.... it's not even my quote.. what are you talking about... are all furry fans like that?

No, but you DID start spouting furryphobic BS, and I'm going to say this right now: I do not tolerate that kind of bigotry. I don't care if you think bigotry towards furries is oh-so different from every other type of bigotry, we still have struggles that come with being furries, it's not something people can just change (contrary to popular belief), and furries typically like to be treated with respect just as anyone else. Even if you think bigotry towards furries is "different" from other forms of bigotry, it's still bigotry.

Originally posted by Vic Viper:
Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
what?.... it's not even my quote.. what are you talking about... are all furry fans like that?
No, I find him quite ridiculous too. Don't worry. Regardless of our differing opinions on the game, I'd never get behind that guy with his behavior.

Like I said, I do not tolerate furryphobia.

#26

ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2 has Rivals of Aether II

Jan 29 @ 7:09am

Originally posted by Baalf:
Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
what?.... it's not even my quote.. what are you talking about... are all furry fans like that?

No, but you DID start spouting furryphobic BS, and I'm going to say this right now: I do not tolerate that kind of bigotry. I don't care if you think bigotry towards furries is oh-so different from every other type of bigotry, we still have struggles that come with being furries, it's not something people can just change (contrary to popular belief), and furries typically like to be treated with respect just as anyone else. Even if you think bigotry towards furries is "different" from other forms of bigotry, it's still bigotry.

Originally posted by Vic Viper:
No, I find him quite ridiculous too. Don't worry. Regardless of our differing opinions on the game, I'd never get behind that guy with his behavior.

Like I said, I do not tolerate furryphobia.

Your definition of what is or is not hate speech is skewed.

#27

Baalf

Jan 29 @ 1:26pm

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:
Your definition of what is or is not hate speech is skewed.

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
ofc you as a furry cope harder

You can't please everyone. =/= pleased 100 furries

Sounds REEEEALLY respectful, huh.

#28

ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2 has Rivals of Aether II

Jan 29 @ 2:07pm

Originally posted by Baalf:
Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:
Your definition of what is or is not hate speech is skewed.

Originally posted by MISSION CONTROL:
ofc you as a furry cope harder

You can't please everyone. =/= pleased 100 furries

Sounds REEEEALLY respectful, huh.

I respect you and what you say when you make good points or are willing to have actual conversations. Assuming everyone who is arguing against you has a personal vendetta against you or the group you try and represent is not something worthy of respect, especially when your justification is really really bare bones.

Please stay on task and stop turning every discussion page you interject entirely about furries, its insecure and I don't think anybody wants to hear it. I know plenty of furries who would hate to be represented by you and your fallacy ridden claims, most probably just want to be let to themselves.

But wanting to just be left alone and actively making long winded essays about how you want to be left alone are 2 entirely different things. Not everything is a personal attack.

#29

MISSION CONTROL Jan 29 @ 2:17pm

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:
I respect you and what you say when you make good points or are willing to have actual conversations. Assuming everyone who is arguing against you has a personal vendetta against you or the group you try and represent is not something worthy of respect, especially when your justification is really really bare bones.

Please stay on task and stop turning every discussion page you interject entirely about furries, its insecure and I don't think anybody wants to hear it. I know plenty of furries who would hate to be represented by you and your fallacy ridden claims, most probably just want to be let to themselves.

But wanting to just be left alone and actively making long winded essays about how you want to be left alone are 2 entirely different things. Not everything is a personal attack.

amen brother you said it best. Baalf stay hard :D