any news on workshop?

[IvanIceSpike]

got like 6 friends + me that only bought RoA1 solely for the meme ws characters and stages, playing and creating content just to use against each other, 0 competitive intent, so seeing the 3D transition kinda put me off because of the implications of making custom content for it. Not to be an AH but, I just can't care enough about the vanilla characters and content

[ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2]

I’m so lost, why do people hate workshop? Like seriously just let people play the game in the way they want, no need to get pressed about it. If they “don’t actually like the game itself” who gives a crap, it doesn’t affect you in the slightest.

Plus, who’s to say people that get into the game due to workshop publicity and a fun roster grow to love the game itself, I.E the exact f-ing scenario that happened to me and a ton of my friends. You can get drawn in by the idea of “meme” characters, which is in itself incredibly derogatory labeling, and still enjoy the game itself and the vanilla roster.

Why does it have to be a culture war, why can’t we have both? If you refuse to even experiment with some of the incredibly well made, fun, and (keyword) BALANCED characters that exist in the workshop just because they weren’t made by the original dev, you are acting as your own detriment. Nobody is forcing you to get the busted characters, so just don’t then? Like, is it really that complicated?

Again, I was drawn in by the meme characters but what does my scenario look like now? An absolutely stacked roster with not only the 18 vanilla characters, but quadruple that amount in fun, balanced workshop characters that I enjoy playing, and it’s awesome.

Quit limiting yourself, and quit getting mad at the devs for supporting this part of the community. You are being stupid.

[FlannerysNotebook]

I started my response to people here who quoted me but then I realized... if I actually broke down why you're idiots, I'd be here for hours. Instead, allow me to recommend to anyone here who thinks that what the author intended matters... y'all need to look up this thing called "Death of the Author." It's been a really well-known phenomenon for like 50+ years. You have no excuse for being so ignorant. Finally, when everyone who disagrees with my position is only able to voice that disagreement by explicitly and blatantly lying about what I and other people have said, by ignoring reality (such as by pretending it isn't super easy to access the RoA1 competitive scene), or by mischaracterizing large swathes of people in blatantly, self-evidently incorrect ways... Maybe if you have to do these kinds of things to make your points, then perhaps maybe you don't have a point to make (or at least not one worth making)?

[slyy]

if i want to play RoA only for workshop content its not my fault, its the work of the author's fault.
not his, nor mine.

honestly people who are mad about this should thank theres even another new RoA, and not "rivals of workshop".

titanfall's fanbase wasnt lucky enough to see a titanfall 3 because of battle royal trends...

[ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2]

Originally posted by slyy:

if i want to play RoA only for workshop content its not my fault, its the work of the author's fault.
not his, nor mine.

honestly people who are mad about this should thank theres even another new RoA, and not "rivals of workshop".

titanfall's fanbase wasnt lucky enough to see a titanfall 3 because of battle royal trends...
:feeling:

But the issue here is assuming that there is a fault at all

[MinixSubZer0]

Originally posted by The Hungry Werewolf:

Originally posted by Just Ice:

workshop is what helped rivals 1 greatly, relax dude

No it didn't. It literally ruined the community.

Community? What community? RoA's community is Smash players who are sick of playing smash, people who hate the latest game, people who are burned out with Smash in general, or people who want to try out Smash but something different. RoA's community is a niche of a niche and it will die the second the new Smash drops unless it's Brawl 2. And if Nintendo smokes some crazy crack and makes Melee HD or something equivalent this community is extra effed.

The Melee players will go back to Melee because that's what they always do unless it's Project M, and the rest will move on to the new Smash game. Without workshop this game is more or less bootleg Melee with bland indie characters. Why should I play this when I've owned Melee for 17 years? I've been playing Smash since 2007 and this game like all the other Smash clones don't understand that there's more to a Smash game than slapping on Melee mechanics like wavedashing, adding on a few unique quirks (hitfalling, slime from NASB2, stuff like that), and calling it a day. Single player is important, and so is things like stage builder, trophies, etc. Brawl is beloved to this day just because of Subspace. But all that these Smash clones care about is making the next Melee, a big esport, or some ♥♥♥♥ like that. I hate to break it to them, but Melee came out in 2001. Been there done that. There's a reason why that game has had a scene for 20 years and every other game that came after died.

UI, character design, music, stage design, customization and other things are all important too, and the character design screams "We used to be Pokémon but the devs didn't want to get sued", and yeah, that's what they are. There's just not much of anything unique here outside of it either. Is the gameplay fun? Yeah, but there's a lot of fun games out there. The UI is generic. The stages are generic and Smash Bros-esque. Where's the crazy interactable platforms like Randall from Yoshi's? Everything is just ripped from Smash and slightly tweaked.

I welcome RoA if it gets Nintendo to get off their ass and make better Smash games instead of Brawl 3 with worse singleplayer and increasingly tacked on Mario Party mechanics. But its still just not something I'm interested in either way even if the new Smash ends up sucking. Fun gameplay sure but there's just not enough new ideas to make it feel like its own thing.

That's all my opinion of course. If people disagree and love RoA, be my guest. I'm not going to pretend like my thoughts are the objective truth. I just don't understand the gatekeeping RoA players do so much. I tried the game and thought it was generic, I'm sorry. Workshop is the reason why I wanted to play it in the first place. Without it I don't care about the game at all, and I feel like the majority of people agree with me. I agree with the other person, if most of the people who play your game play it to mod it your game isn't interesting. There's just not much flavor to this game other than cool gameplay which more or less is just Melee. What player who already isn't interested in Melee would play this? Very few. This game needs identity and a big reason someone can look at it and not go "Oh, it's like Smash!". Right now it has none.

I don't understand why RoA players get so butthurt about people not liking their game. Workshop gave the game identity and something it did that Smash didn't. Maybe if the game is so small without it, the game is trying to do something that was already done better 20 years ago. If you don't want that then stay small, I guess then. Enjoy your walmart melee.

Originally posted by Jeremoople:

If you look at the forums for rivals 1 you will find barely any talk about the game its all about "make this character, I want to pay for someone to make that character, who is selling sprites to make my favorite muppet."
This wouldn´t be a problem if it was not overtaking the original game and stay a small minority but there are people who absolutely don´t care for the game and only come for the workshop.

The problem is that the game got popularity for a "funny side mode" instead of its gameplay and that is a big problem simply becourse thats not what its advertising and actively working on.

Rivals is designed to be a plattform fighter and stick to its core game otherwise rivals 2 would be a costimaziable dress-up game with a fighting-mode.
If it all was just about the moeny we would probably have the dress-up game by now.

The only reason workshop should come at all is becourse at some point it will help to get more sales to let the game survive a year or two longer.

This happened because the game itself isn't much to write home about. If it came out in 1996 before Smash 64 it would be groundbreaking ♥♥♥♥, now it's just something we've seen done better before. I still think it's a fun game with fun gameplay its core, but that's probably because it's fundamentally Smash Bros.

Originally posted by MechaDeka:

>Smash furry OC knock-off with pixel based collision
>good

This guy gets it

[Azelinuu]

Originally posted by MinixSubZer0:

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I can quote specific points if asked but so much of this felt like simultaneously trashing the game for being like Smash and trashing the game for not being enough like Smash

you brought up how so many platformers die and how all go back to Smash eventually when Smash is the game that began the genre and has so many popular established IPs that anything else is asked to kill god the moment it exists

you called the designs legal friendly Pokemon which ?????? I don't even see the correlation because Palworld is right there, the reaction I see to anthro character designs when Fox is the face of Melee will forever perplex me

Slap City had amazing amounts of single player content and more Brawl-like floatiness, it still didn't make it
Fraymakers focused on Workshop first before the base of the game was even completely built, that caused it to fall off
Multiversus pulled their game offline, put it back but worse, ignored feedback, and is now using its last gasp of air to become a game people like
Nick All-Stars held its own for a bit and I'll give it props for the single player content, but between a fair amount of the roster being from dormant IPs, some character picks being odd, and facing the restrictions of "we want to make a cool game but we have to get past 30 IP contracts to make a change" eventually did it in
Rushdown Revolt idk wtf they did and how they died, even when I search for info on that game I barely get anything

as for Melee itself, yes, its a good game with amazing amounts of single player content, my personal points against it are character balance and lack of controller settings (every character I liked playing in Melee is basically unviable in comp)

it also has negative dev support

I can no longer buy the game because Nintendo, online with rollback got added and Nintendo hates that to the point of shutting down tournaments over it, its really hard to enjoy a game with parents that actively don't want you to play it

then there's Project M, coming from Brawl that I can't buy, that has similar issues but worse because the people playing it have to navigate a dark alley and knock on the second door to the right five times and utter the secret phrase for tournaments because Nintendo put fear into hearts with how they handled that

Rivals has better (compared to Ult) netcode, officially supported netcode (compared to Slippi), IP the devs own and don't have to jump through hoops to change anything, Smashlike gameplay I enjoy, and the thing that I think caused me to stick around for so long; a dev team that isn't trying to sabotage the people playing it

Rivals still doesn't have ♥♥♥♥ for nothing in regards to casual content though
base cast AI sucks, workshop characters rarely have AI that know how to play the game, and getting instakilled by Ronald is only amusing so many times

[ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2]

Originally posted by MinixSubZer0:

Rivals still doesn't have ♥♥♥♥ for nothing in regards to casual content though
base cast AI sucks, workshop characters rarely have AI that know how to play the game, and getting instakilled by Ronald is only amusing so many times

Grinding out abyss mode for 7 hours for 1 achievement wasn’t my personal cup of tea but the game mode was objectively very well thought together and had a lot of replay value. Having the ability to buy upgrades for characters, with some like ori getting completely different move sets, felt so innovative and instantly more creative than anything roa2s casual scene boasts

[Azelinuu]

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:

Originally posted by Azelinuu:

Rivals still doesn't have ♥♥♥♥ for nothing in regards to casual content though
base cast AI sucks, workshop characters rarely have AI that know how to play the game, and getting instakilled by Ronald is only amusing so many times

Grinding out abyss mode for 7 hours for 1 achievement wasn’t my personal cup of tea but the game mode was objectively very well thought together and had a lot of replay value. Having the ability to buy upgrades for characters, with some like ori getting completely different move sets, felt so innovative and instantly more creative than anything roa2s casual scene boasts

the runes were fun until I realized that my strategies on clearing enemies out never changed because the AI still couldn't take advantage of the kits they had, no matter what character came in I never stopped spamming moves that could take out as many enemies as possible

having to spend aether coins to get to the part of abyss where the difficulty isn't effortless and the waves being a repeating preset order of events eventually made me edit the levels of every character up because I had gotten completely bored of it

[Jeremoople]

Originally posted by MinixSubZer0:

Originally posted by Jeremoople:

If you look at the forums for rivals 1 you will find barely any talk about the game its all about "make this character, I want to pay for someone to make that character, who is selling sprites to make my favorite muppet."
This wouldn´t be a problem if it was not overtaking the original game and stay a small minority but there are people who absolutely don´t care for the game and only come for the workshop.

The problem is that the game got popularity for a "funny side mode" instead of its gameplay and that is a big problem simply becourse thats not what its advertising and actively working on.

Rivals is designed to be a plattform fighter and stick to its core game otherwise rivals 2 would be a costimaziable dress-up game with a fighting-mode.
If it all was just about the moeny we would probably have the dress-up game by now.

The only reason workshop should come at all is becourse at some point it will help to get more sales to let the game survive a year or two longer.

This happened because the game itself isn't much to write home about. If it came out in 1996 before Smash 64 it would be groundbreaking ♥♥♥♥, now it's just something we've seen done better before. I still think it's a fun game with fun gameplay its core, but that's probably because it's fundamentally Smash Bros.

You quoted incorrectly, I'm not the one who said that and I'm one of the people who doesn't mind either way if they add workshop. But to address your actual point, Melee has no official netcode (only a small handful of people who are already deep into the competitive scene use unofficial stuff like Slippi,) Ultimate has bad netcode, and Nintendo actively sabotages their competitive scene. Rivals 2 has an audience because it's currently the only platform fighter with good netcode, good dev support, and enough players to find a game quickly through in-game matchmaking. Supposedly Brawlhalla does too, but I never hear people talking about it. Rivals will probably lose most of its players when the next Smash game releases, especially if it has decent netcode, but it hasn't even been teased yet. Rivals 2 will last at least a few years, which isn't bad for an indie fighting game.

[Job Application]

It'll get workshop support when the MTX store stops being profitable so never

[MetoolMan]

So we literally gonna have to model, rig, texture, and animate for a custom character? No way. Even if it does happen, it'll be 90% slop.

[Azelinuu]

Originally posted by MetoolMan:

Even if it does happen, it'll be 90% slop.

doesn't sound too different from Rivals 1's workshop submissions

for every Helios there's 50 Sandbert reskins

[ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2]

Originally posted by Azelinuu:

Originally posted by MetoolMan:

Even if it does happen, it'll be 90% slop.

doesn't sound too different from Rivals 1's workshop submissions

for every Helios there's 50 Sandbert reskins

1. Don’t download the sandbert clones
2. If we don’t get workshop then we don’t even give the community the chance to make more Helios.

[MetoolMan]

RoA I was about 60% slop. There was still plenty good to download and try.

[NotReallyRoyal]

WE'LL GET THERE WHEN WE GET THERE