rolling is so bad

[Poppotato_]

im getting grabbed out of my roll so many times, its so dumb. rock paper scissors but rock beats everything

[Meat Man (Alfons)]

Rolls and dodges are commital so they can easily be punished if they prepare for it. Thats why people wavedash instead since they leave you much less vulnerable, but they have no invincibility period in turn

[Red the Demon Fox]

If your opponent can anticipate your rolls and be in the right place to punish them, that's on you. That's the thing about "RPS" in fighting games. No one option has a guaranteed win over any other. There's also execution and game sense to take into account.

Yeah, paper is "supposed" to beat rock, but not if your opponent expects you to throw paper, then delays and waits for your paper animation to finish. After that they can use rock, paper, or scissors, whatever they want, really.

This is something you're just going to have to accept if you want to compete in this genre. To expect otherwise is reductive.

[Poppotato_]

not what im talking about About, im getting grabbed out of roll start up, you know, LIKE THE WHOLE REASON ROLL EXISTS. Not even start up, i feel like im halfway through my roll and getting picked out of it

[Parme]

Personally I'd say grabs are paper, not rock

[Plum]

Originally posted by Poppotato_:

not what im talking about About, im getting grabbed out of roll start up, you know, LIKE THE WHOLE REASON ROLL EXISTS. Not even start up, i feel like im halfway through my roll and getting picked out of it

Spot Dodge..

Roll has nothing to do with countering grabs, that would be spot dodge.

[Arson]

Originally posted by Poppotato_:

not what im talking about About, im getting grabbed out of roll start up, you know, LIKE THE WHOLE REASON ROLL EXISTS. Not even start up, i feel like im halfway through my roll and getting picked out of it

you might just be lagging bro, you can't get grabbed mid-roll, also, try rolling into your opponent instead of away, it's a great mix up that will often place you right behind your enemy, in the middle of their grab animation, landing you a free punish

[Baron von Clems]

Originally posted by Poppotato_:

not what im talking about About, im getting grabbed out of roll start up, you know, LIKE THE WHOLE REASON ROLL EXISTS. Not even start up, i feel like im halfway through my roll and getting picked out of it

Same happens to me (allot). I asume its mostly due to the rollback system? On their screen i havent started rolling yet, they grab me and i experience a rollback to a state where i am grabbed.
I asume the whole reason why i experience this more than most people, is because i am a reactive player instead of a anticipating player. Roll back system + a tiny start up animation for most moves always has me behind that tiny fraction thats enough to lose most exchanges. Getting hit in parry, hit while shielding, getting hit when exchanging equal blows is a normal thing to experience.

In melee i could get away with beeing reactive and possibly at a top level that isnt even viable. But i learned to do something that isnt working for this game or most other fighting games.

[ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2]

Originally posted by Baron von Clems:

Originally posted by Poppotato_:

not what im talking about About, im getting grabbed out of roll start up, you know, LIKE THE WHOLE REASON ROLL EXISTS. Not even start up, i feel like im halfway through my roll and getting picked out of it

Same happens to me (allot). I asume its mostly due to the rollback system? On their screen i havent started rolling yet, they grab me and i experience a rollback to a state where i am grabbed.
I asume the whole reason why i experience this more than most people, is because i am a reactive player instead of an anticipating player. Roll back system + a tiny start up animation for most moves always has me behind that tiny fraction thats enough to lose most exchanges. Getting hit in parry, hit while shielding, getting hit when exchanging equal blows.

I think it’s a design choice and not an internet thing. Shield and dodge just don’t transition seamlessly and it’s so easy to get hit during startup

[Baron von Clems]

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:

I think it’s a design choice and not an internet thing. Shield and dodge just don’t transition seamlessly and it’s so easy to get hit during startup

Yea, as i edited my previous post and added to it. I think i learned a habit from melee that isnt transitional into this game (or most fighter games), especially online.
It also doesnt help that i naturaly gravitate to beeing reactive in games vs anticipating. For fighting games that often isnt a good thing, for shooters it is. Still i love platform fighters, so i will keep grinding and hopefully i will get better :').

[ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2]

Originally posted by Baron von Clems:

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:

I think it’s a design choice and not an internet thing. Shield and dodge just don’t transition seamlessly and it’s so easy to get hit during startup

Yea, as i edited my previous post and added to it. I think i learned a habit from melee that isnt transitional into this game (or most fighter games), especially online.
It also doesnt help that i naturaly gravitate to beeing reactive in games vs anticipating. For fighting games that often isnt a good thing, for shooters it is. Still i love platform fighters, so i will keep grinding and hopefully i will get better :').

I play reactively and still have the same problem. I’ll go to perfectly timed dodge them and their hit will still register

[ZooL]

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:

Originally posted by Baron von Clems:

Same happens to me (allot). I asume its mostly due to the rollback system? On their screen i havent started rolling yet, they grab me and i experience a rollback to a state where i am grabbed.
I asume the whole reason why i experience this more than most people, is because i am a reactive player instead of an anticipating player. Roll back system + a tiny start up animation for most moves always has me behind that tiny fraction thats enough to lose most exchanges. Getting hit in parry, hit while shielding, getting hit when exchanging equal blows.

I think it’s a design choice and not an internet thing. Shield and dodge just don’t transition seamlessly and it’s so easy to get hit during startup

shield is frame one and spot dodge ouf shield has no "transition", its also frame 1.

[ZooL]

Originally posted by ciswhiteheterosexualmalenumber2:

Originally posted by Baron von Clems:

Yea, as i edited my previous post and added to it. I think i learned a habit from melee that isnt transitional into this game (or most fighter games), especially online.
It also doesnt help that i naturaly gravitate to beeing reactive in games vs anticipating. For fighting games that often isnt a good thing, for shooters it is. Still i love platform fighters, so i will keep grinding and hopefully i will get better :').

I play reactively and still have the same problem. I’ll go to perfectly timed dodge them and their hit will still register

some options can be punished on reaction and some on reads. it all depends on what your opponent throws out.

[2cide]

spot-dodge down