Forsburn needs a little buff

[Pinkey]

Hey Guys,
I recently watched a tournament game (LMM Miami 2024 TOP 8) between Mkleo (Forsburn) vs Elpe(Maypul).
Even though MY GOAT won the match I think Forsburn needs a specific buff in this matchup. The fact that Maypuls mark reveals the real Forsburn when the Doubleganger is summoned while Forsburn beeing marked is just sad. The little seed is a whole counter for this whole Gimmick.

My solution would be simple: Just let Forsburn summon a Doubleganger with a fake mark. Maypul could eventually teather to reveal the real Forsburn... but that wouldn t be a really good move most of the time. I wouldnt even stop there. Maybe Forsburn should be able to always copy those "marks" , not just Maypuls one even though it is as a permanent one the most opressive one in this regard. Make the Doubleganger a real visual copy to confuse the oponent! That would be awesome imo.

[Plum]

Watch the coinbox tonight, Forsburn won the invitational yesterday - Fors has some very op things and a few very unusable things. If he gets a buff he probably also needs a nerf imo

[Pinkey]

Originally posted by Arxya:

Watch the coinbox tonight, Forsburn won the invitational yesterday - Fors has some very op things and a few very unusable things. If he gets a buff he probably also needs a nerf imo

So do you agree with the specific buff he should have imo that I mentioned? Do you think he needs that one? Also yeah if I find some time I will watch it! Thanks I didnt know there was a coinbox tonight!

[Falkiepoo]

No. I don't agree with your changes. Please re-read the above comment that you quoted and really soak it in.

[Pinkey]

Originally posted by FalkuriaTTV:

No. I don't agree with your changes. Please re-read the above comment that you quoted and really soak it in.

Did you even read what I wrote? Please re-read my comment and really soak it in. Just having a real visual doubleganger would be just fair. Imo there is no good reason for Maypul to have an easy tool to reveal the real Forsburn almost permanently just because you hit 1 seed. I say it as a Maypul main btw. That is just unfun and wouldnt make Forsburn broken vs maypul but fair because 1 Gimmick isnt completely countert by the normal gameplay of Maypul. Right now it is not like Forsburn is completely useless vs Maypul. It is just silly seeing him making a doubleganger but having 0 difficulty finding out who the real one is just because you hit 1 seed in prior.

If you are really against the idea then pls tell me what those reasons are!

[Edy Nelson]

Forsburn is fine.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Honestly I just kind of accept that some characters have a bad match up, though Dan might have seen this as an oversight to forsburn having such a bad match up against maypul.

Like when I'm playing forsburn and I go up against Kragg, I don't think kragg mains are going to be like, wow, fors can just run at me for free by having their clone run infront of them despite me having rock, kragg should have a small buff and have the rock go through clone just like how ranno's tung can go through clone and still grab me.

[Meat Man (Alfons)]

It feels like every Forsburn I run into absolutely destroy me but they never ever click the special button. You'd think he relies on his smoke gimmick the most but his normals and aerials are enough to shred.
Really I just hope his smoke is more consistent and the camera giving him away less. His actual moveset is completely fine, though

[StuckInWashingMachine]

Originally posted by Meat Man (Alfons):

It feels like every Forsburn I run into absolutely destroy me but they never ever click the special button. You'd think he relies on his smoke gimmick the most but his normals and aerials are enough to shred.
Really I just hope his smoke is more consistent and the camera giving him away less. His actual moveset is completely fine, though

honestly to me, the smoke is just an after though, if you go up against a decent player, they clear all of the stage smoke in seconds.

even just playing passive as forsburn and trying to spam as much smoke doesn't feel all that viable either, he's not all that fast, and he's a little fat / disjointed. Making him get punished easily. This obviously forces me into an aggressive play style where I have to counter enemy movement with my own attacks and consistently win neutral. It's only when the enemy is playing like a massive camper, that I'll allowed liberty to cheese smoke all over the stage and force them to feel claustrophobic.

[Meat Man (Alfons)]

Originally posted by IdiotWithAGun:

Originally posted by Meat Man (Alfons):

It feels like every Forsburn I run into absolutely destroy me but they never ever click the special button. You'd think he relies on his smoke gimmick the most but his normals and aerials are enough to shred.
Really I just hope his smoke is more consistent and the camera giving him away less. His actual moveset is completely fine, though

honestly to me, the smoke is just an after though, if you go up against a decent player, they clear all of the stage smoke in seconds.

even just playing passive as forsburn and trying to spam as much smoke doesn't feel all that viable either, he's not all that fast, and he's a little fat / disjointed. Making him get punished easily. This obviously forces me into an aggressive play style where I have to counter enemy movement with my own attacks and consistently win neutral. It's only when the enemy is playing like a massive camper, that I'll allowed liberty to cheese smoke all over the stage and force them to feel claustrophobic.

I hope they buff special pummel since it spawns a depressing small amount of smoke lol

[Pinkey]

Originally posted by IdiotWithAGun:

Honestly I just kind of accept that some characters have a bad match up, though Dan might have seen this as an oversight to forsburn having such a bad match up against maypul.

Like when I'm playing forsburn and I go up against Kragg, I don't think kragg mains are going to be like, wow, fors can just run at me for free by having their clone run infront of them despite me having rock, kragg should have a small buff and have the rock go through clone just like how ranno's tung can go through clone and still grab me.

Hey thanks a lot for the responds! You are actually the only one engaging with my suggestion. First of all I am a Maypul main and not a Forsburn main. And as a Maypul main I know that my playstyle wouldnt change that much if we would see the buff that I suggested.

1. Maypul will always throw their specials to mark an oponent because it is one of if not the most important mechanics avaible for Maypuls. So even if Forsburn got this buff it is not like we Maypul players would stop using our specials because the mark doesnt reveal the real Forsburn anymore.

2. I like your comparison with Kragg and Forsburn but I see a significant difference between the 2 cases. The thing that bothers me is that the counterplay against this one aspect I am talking about -> the doubleganger beeing too easy to identify as a Maypul player-> is the way the counter works. You dont really actively mark the oponent TO counter the doublegangers it just happens. In the Kragg Forsburn case at least Forsburn has to actively do something to counter the rock throws. Maypuls just throw the first seed in the first 10sec and could thanks to that potentially reveal the real Forsburn later in the fight.

3. I think it is a really healthy buff because Forsburn benefits from it while Maypul doesnt really care except Maypul has to guess like every other Char in the roster who the real Forsburn is. And thats fine it is his thing to be elusive and I think no other Maypul main would be sad if their mark was beeing copied aswell for Forsburns clone!
If we would do the same thing in the Kragg Forsburn case I wouldnt be surprised if Forsburn mains would be mad as hell. I would be surprised if Maypul mains would be mad if Forsburn got buffed like that!