Nvidia Installer on Ubuntu?

[D. Flame]

Anyone know if Ubuntu Cinnamon (the official flavour) has the option to include proprietary Nvidia drivers directly from the installer?

40 series cards need the Nvidia proprietary drivers to work, and the 50 series seem to need the 570 drivers to work.

I like to suggest Mint to most new users, but it is a bit of an issue with they are using newer Nvidia cards and a CPU with no onboard graphics. They will basically hit a black screen after the install.

On my main PC, I am testing out the unstable branch of Manjaro with a 6.13 kernel and the 570 drivers, and that works well for 40 series cards, but it is not something I would want to recommend to the average user.

[DonMcK]

Not answering your specific question but I added this ppa to Mint, currently running the 570 drivers installed using the Software Manager.

https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

[D. Flame]

DonMcK の投稿を引用：

Not answering your specific question but I added this ppa to Mint, currently running the 570 drivers installed using the Software Manager.

https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

That doesn't help. The issue is that they get a black screen right after rebooting following the initial install, so they are not able to install anything.

Distros like Zorin, Manjaro etc, all let you choose to install Nvidia drivers at the same time that you are installing the OS.

If you have onboard graphics, then the OS can fall back on that, but if you use a CPU like I do, 13400F, it has no onboard graphics. There are supposedly ways around it, but that is not something I am going to recommend to a new user.

[WarnerCK]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

I like to suggest Mint to most new users, but it is a bit of an issue with they are using newer Nvidia cards and a CPU with no onboard graphics. They will basically hit a black screen after the install.

The (usual, and well-documented) solution there is to specify nomodeset as a kernel parameter so that nouveau doesn't try (and fail) to set a mode for the monitor until the user has installed an appropriate driver that can appropriately set the mode.

The Ubuntu installer already has the means to install the Nvidia driver as part of the install - it's just a tick box. However, if the user's card needs a newer driver than the one carried by the repositories then that can't help. You're left with the same failure mode of nouveau failing to set the monitor's mode.

It is strictly possible to install things from elsewhere to the freshly-installed distro before the first reboot, but doing a chroot is much more technical than simply specifying a temporary kernel parameter, which is why it's the nomodeset solution that gets recommended rather than the chroot one.

[D. Flame]

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

I like to suggest Mint to most new users, but it is a bit of an issue with they are using newer Nvidia cards and a CPU with no onboard graphics. They will basically hit a black screen after the install.

The (usual, and well-documented) solution there is to specify nomodeset as a kernel parameter

I am aware, and it was what I indirectly referenced in the OP. However, it is outside the scope of this thread, and I would rather not have the thread derailed by talking about it.

That is not something the average new user is going to want to mess with it, especially when there are other options that allow Nvidia drivers right from the installer.

The 550 drivers seem to be enough for people with 40 series cards. It is only the 50 series cards that seem to need the 570 drivers.

[WarnerCK]

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WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

The (usual, and well-documented) solution there is to specify nomodeset as a kernel parameter

I am aware, and it was what I indirectly referenced in the OP. However, it is outside the scope of this thread, and I would rather not have the thread derailed by talking about it.

That is not something the average new user is going to want to mess with it, especially when there are other options that allow Nvidia drivers right from the installer.

The 550 drivers seem to be enough for people with 40 series cards. It is only the 50 series cards that seem to need the 570 drivers.

And that's why the 570 branch will be picked up by the repositories when they're no longer in beta, and the already-existing tick box for installing the Nvidia driver during the install will work for those as well.

The thing you're asking for already exists, and the issues you've highlighted already have solutions. "Hardware support being on the vendor's timeline" and "nouveau isn't up to the task" - the actual causes of the issues - are also outside of the scope of the thread by your reasoning, but that's reality for you.

[D. Flame]

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

I am aware, and it was what I indirectly referenced in the OP. However, it is outside the scope of this thread, and I would rather not have the thread derailed by talking about it.

That is not something the average new user is going to want to mess with it, especially when there are other options that allow Nvidia drivers right from the installer.

The 550 drivers seem to be enough for people with 40 series cards. It is only the 50 series cards that seem to need the 570 drivers.

And that's why the 570 branch will be picked up by the repositories when they're no longer in beta, and the already-existing tick box for installing the Nvidia driver during the install will work for those as well.

The thing you're asking for already exists, and the issues you've highlighted already have solutions. "Hardware support being on the vendor's timeline" and "nouveau isn't up to the task" - the actual causes of the issues - are also outside of the scope of the thread by your reasoning, but that's reality for you.

False.

I know that the thing that I am asking already exists in general. I stated that very thing in the OP. I am asking if it exists in one specific distro, or flavor of a distro.

I know that the modeset work around exist, and indirectly referenced them in the OP, but again, that is not the point. Most people would rather just chose a different distro than deal with that.

Next time try actually reading the OP. There is only one sentence in the body of the OP with a question mark on it:

Anyone know if Ubuntu Cinnamon (the official flavour) has the option to include proprietary Nvidia drivers directly from the installer?

Have a nice day.

[grzegorz77]

I haven't done this for a long time, but can't you just choose vesa during installation ??
(As options in the installer, or as a parameter during installation.)
And after starting the desktop, install the nvidia driver.

[WarnerCK]

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WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

And that's why the 570 branch will be picked up by the repositories when they're no longer in beta, and the already-existing tick box for installing the Nvidia driver during the install will work for those as well.

The thing you're asking for already exists, and the issues you've highlighted already have solutions. "Hardware support being on the vendor's timeline" and "nouveau isn't up to the task" - the actual causes of the issues - are also outside of the scope of the thread by your reasoning, but that's reality for you.

False.

I know that the thing that I am asking already exists in general. I stated that very thing in the OP. I am asking if it exists in one specific distro, or flavor of a distro.

I know that the modeset work around exist, and indirectly referenced them in the OP, but again, that is not the point. Most people would rather just chose a different distro than deal with that.

Next time try actually reading the OP. There is only one sentence in the body of the OP with a question mark on it:

Anyone know if Ubuntu Cinnamon (the official flavour) has the option to include proprietary Nvidia drivers directly from the installer?

As already mentioned, yes it does.

However, (as already mentioned) if you need the 570 branch that won't help you, because (as already mentioned) the Ubuntu repositories don't carry the 570 branch, because (as already mentioned) it's still in beta. Which means (as already mentioned) you'll need to use the well-documented solution or wait until that branch is no longer beta.

Have a nice day.

You too.

[D. Flame]

grzegorz77 の投稿を引用：

I haven't done this for a long time, but can't you just choose vesa during installation ??
(As options in the installer, or as a parameter during installation.)
And after starting the desktop, install the nvidia driver.

Not sure.

I have tested multiple distros. Manjaro lets you boot into a live environment with proprietary Nvidia drivers, then it installs them when you install to disk too. Zorin OS seems to offer the same thing, and it is an Ubuntu based distro, I believe. Mint doesn't this option.

I haven't tried installing ubuntu or the cinnamon flavor of it myself. I am just trying to find out if it is a good alternate suggestion to Mint for people with Nvidia cards.

None of them have 570 by default.

[D. Flame]

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

However, (as already mentioned) if you need the 570 branch that won't help you, because (as already mentioned) the Ubuntu repositories don't carry the 570 branch, because (as already mentioned) it's still in beta.

This is relevant.

Which means (as already mentioned) you'll need to use the well-documented solution or wait until that branch is no longer beta.

This is not.

[WarnerCK]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

However, (as already mentioned) if you need the 570 branch that won't help you, because (as already mentioned) the Ubuntu repositories don't carry the 570 branch, because (as already mentioned) it's still in beta.

This is relevant.

Which means (as already mentioned) you'll need to use the well-documented solution or wait until that branch is no longer beta.

This is not.

It sure is if the outcome you're looking for is a successful install of your operating system.

[D. Flame]

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

This is relevant.


This is not.

It sure is if the outcome you're looking for is a successful install of your operating system.

That is not the outcome this thread is about, as I previously explained.

Like I said, your average newbie isn't going to go, "oh this OS could work if I just find out how to display this hidden menu then modify my launch options." Nah, they are just going to go, "well that didn't work, so let's try a different distro."

Even I took it as an excuse to distro hop and try different things.

[WarnerCK]

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

It sure is if the outcome you're looking for is a successful install of your operating system.

That is not the outcome this thread is about, as I previously explained.

Like I said, your average newbie isn't going to go, "oh this OS could work if I just find out how to display this hidden menu then modify my launch options." Nah, they are just going to go, "well that didn't work, so let's try a different distro."

Even I took it as an excuse to distro hop and try different things.

And yet you, as the person recommending Linux to them, could quite easily tell them the reason why the simple option might not work, and the specific step to overcome the issue.

[D. Flame]

WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

D. Flame の投稿を引用：

That is not the outcome this thread is about, as I previously explained.

Like I said, your average newbie isn't going to go, "oh this OS could work if I just find out how to display this hidden menu then modify my launch options." Nah, they are just going to go, "well that didn't work, so let's try a different distro."

Even I took it as an excuse to distro hop and try different things.

And yet you, as the person recommending Linux to them, could quite easily tell them the reason why the simple option might not work, and the specific step to overcome the issue.

I could, but I have this super power called, "common sense," which let's me know to not do that.

[WarnerCK]

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WarnerCK の投稿を引用：

And yet you, as the person recommending Linux to them, could quite easily tell them the reason why the simple option might not work, and the specific step to overcome the issue.

I could, but I have this super power called, "common sense," which let's me know to not do that.

Well, happily for the end user (who you don't want to successfully install Linux for some reason) both the issue and the solution are well-documented, including in this thread, so they can get the OS installed regardless of your indifference.