Why so expensive? $69.99 is too much.

[Brenbold]

(for constructive critisism twords me. being an idiot and swearing and no critisism of my thought is not allowed)

[Ye Old Salt Potato]

Um, this is 70 bucks for a functional game engine. Like have RPG running in 10 minutes engine. With full modification ability to said engine. I write code for a living, and bought this as much to look through the code as actually make a game, and the code is rather fascinating. It's also a ton of work that's been done for you with a nearly endless potential for expansion with a bit of skill. That ain't easy to code.

Sure, you're not making a AAA title, probably not even something comercially viable, but if you wanted to drum out a game you've had in your head you can do it rather easily. Which is pretty much what this is for.

And if you want to fall back into claims of arbitrary numbers, sit down and figure how long it'd take you to do every thing this already does. If you'd do all that work rather than spend 70 bucks, get to it. Otherwise buck up and move on. If you aren't even capable of making something like this, code, art, interface and internal IDE, then please don't presume to tell anyone what it's worth. Your opinion matters very little in the face of how much the work to put it together and if you aren't familiar with at least some of this you certainly don't know how to use some of the most impressive features of what is purchased with this pack.

[ItsAlwaysGee]

You should have bought it during the Steam summer of sales event, it was like 20 dollars then.

[JAGIELSKI]

To be honest, I think price is too high despite using RM since 2k. While other engines costs about the same, they're pretty much are genre-independent and while you can make games in RM from other genres, it is geared mostly towards RPGs (as name suggests), so price just isn't right.

[Hatsukuro]

引用自 BigShell：

CP: Where's the link to your work?

Wasn't on all of yesterday and I do like showing off my work. You can find some of my work (not even half of it) here[cphouseset.wordpress.com] and some of my work on RMW[forums.rpgmakerweb.com] under the username Neon Black. And I couldn't really show you much as far as a semi-built physics engine goes or plans for a VN engine, and the TD engine is lacking a HUD at the moment while I rework it, so the best I could do is an early build of it here[i.imgur.com].

My intention in this thread has never been to debate or argue (normally that's what I pop into a thread like this to do, though). In this simple case I mostly came in to goof around a little since one or two people made me chuckle. Only came back to get some traffic (even though I STILL need to update my blog). :P

[Archeia]

引用自 Darkhog：

To be honest, I think price is too high despite using RM since 2k. While other engines costs about the same, they're pretty much are genre-independent and while you can make games in RM from other genres, it is geared mostly towards RPGs (as name suggests), so price just isn't right.

I'll just leave these RM games here and see if RM is just "geared towards RPGs."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5LWebJI9V8&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLD728963DFFED5D4F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pItQiNBv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e19TahJ3PfI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFohaBQUs8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt-MVA8sGLQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuDatOzjcQY

[Archeia]

RM means RPG Maker. It was my response to his quote that RPG Maker is geared towards RPGs so its price range is albeit too much. When I don't think it is limited to that and that its price tag is much well deserved. While it's true it's BIASED for RPGs like how Unity is for 3D. It doesn't mean you can't make non-RPG games in it. The same goes to Unity that you can still make 2D games on it.

[Aldorlea Games]

引用自 BigShell：

Dualy agree. I'd still like evidence that anyone has EVER made their money back off using SOLELY the tools included in the $70 kit. I mean, that's the point right? Is this worth $69.99. No, IT is not. Not without investing more money or, at the very least, more effort.

I have. And through actual sales, not a Kickstarter which seems to be the easy and trendy way to make money off RM.

[Hajami]

Unity doesnt has Resources Includet. So with Big Shells words noone ever made a Game with the unmodified Unity :). Unity doesnt has Code or Scripts Inside, so noone ever made a Bad Game or any kind of Game with the unmodified Unity Version. And that argument counts for most Engine on the Market. So please dont argue with the words modified/unmodified RPG Maker Games. And the best is iam not bound to the unmodified standards, i can easilie modifie em myself. The possibility of modification beyond the Limits is fantastic.

[Aldorlea Games]

Ahhh, so many questions.
Well first of all for the price of $70, you get an engine with a database and script section. I'd recommend editing them adequately to give some personality to your game. As for using the RTP, it's not really a *huge* drawback if you use it well and release your game before too many games have used it. Of course, if you can, go for customized resources. But your question was, what is the value of the $70 default pack, right? Well it is pretty huge. :)

[Hajami]

U say to many people that it is senseless to talk about some Topics like the Price. But why are u talking about it than? Why are u arguing than?
It seems u are always on the oposition no matter what is said, or u say its not possible to talk about. But than iam wondering why u are talking about it. I believe u are inteligent and i dont like people wanting to point out how stupid others are. And with tricks bringing em in conversation where u Win against em with sneaky words and taktiks.We are not here, so u can have fun over/about us.
This is not nice and normaly a Troll Kind behavior.
Or iam too Stupid too understand your Sentences as whole.
Eatherway iam outt of the Price Discussion.

Fazit to Topic:
I would not pay 59.99€ only 20 to 40 maybe 50 Euro is fair.
If there will be real competitioners to the RPG MAker Series tell me, than we can talk about the Price again.

[Aldorlea Games]

Hmmm I'm not sure to agree because of course, as the dev, you will invest your own knowledge and skills to USE (=edit) the default material, which is made of graphics, sounds, a database and a script file. You get all of this for $70, and you are free (and welcome) to use it the way you want.
Now if you give Ace to a beginner who changes nothing and has no experience, it's very likely they'll make *much* less (but will still make the money back easily, trust me on that, just on my site I can push ANY game to make more than $100, which is no prowess btw, but for the sake of argumentation).
If your conditions are to keep EVERYTHING as it is provided to you upon purchase, I suppose you could still make a very nice profit coming up with an excellent story that has a griping beginning. Throw in good gameplay, good use of the RTP, and you're in for a nice surprise IMO. If I get some time, I may try to do it, as a personal experience and experiment. :)

[JAGIELSKI]

引用自 Archeia：

RM means RPG Maker. It was my response to his quote that RPG Maker is geared towards RPGs so its price range is albeit too much. When I don't think it is limited to that and that its price tag is much well deserved. While it's true it's BIASED for RPGs like how Unity is for 3D. It doesn't mean you can't make non-RPG games in it. The same goes to Unity that you can still make 2D games on it.

You know, I can mow my lawn using scissors, but why should I do that if there are lawn mowing machines?

[Hajami]

BigShell i ment U :)

If u dont have prior knowledge RPG MAker is the Only realy easy to use Engine.
No realy other competitioners. (That is realy sad :( but rpg maker is the best Engine Programmers made for Noobs like me) .
One last Question about the Price.
Iam sorry iam counting in Euro iam not sure what a Dollar is worth in these Days in your Country.
For 1Euro i could buy 2 Liters Milk or up to 2 standard pieces of Butter.

Edit: Did u looked on other Resource Selling sides. They are crazy there the want much more money than the artists of RPG Maker. Tihis prices here are to high for me but they are cheap if i look at other resource selling sides for other engines.

[JAGIELSKI]

引用自 Hajami：

No realy other competitioners.

Google Rhythos RPG Builder and Open RPG Maker, I beg you (both in development, but there are no signs that it will be stopped)

[Aldorlea Games]

Define "changing the product". Editing the database, adding new items for instance, is it "changing" it? Because then even adding maps is changing it...
My point is that, without adding anything (exterior, as in resources) to the base material that you are provided with, you can make a very nice income.
Even keeping the database and scripting default, I'm pretty sure you can make good money. Definity wayyy north of the $70 the software costs you, anyway. And bear in mind you can make as many games as you want, too, and the price will still be the original $70. :)