Kerbal Space Program

Kerbal Space Program

Drevin 2015 年 5 月 5 日 上午 11:46
Why do rockets turn West?
Can someone please explain how come if I simply launch a rocket vertically, and don't turn on SAS, and don't touch any controls, it would eventually go to a 270 degrees course? Is this similar to real life? And why? I figure it has to do with the rotation of the planet, but what is the exact explanation? Different speeds of the air masses pushing over the rocket?

Thank you.
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Gahooligan 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:07 
Youre right. the planet is rotating under you. Its exactly similar to real life. And if you want a polar orbit you have to kill that lateral velocity or else you orbit will be slightly askew. It doesnt really have anything to do with aerodynamics.
SievertChaser 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:08 
As you launch you already pick up some of the velocity from the launchpad spinning with the planet.
Gahooligan 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:09 
I know you were looking for a really good explaination, but thats about it. The planet rotates under you which gives you a westbound heading if you go straight up.
SievertChaser 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:10 
And that's why launching into a propgrade (east) orbit is cheaper in dV than into a retrograde orbit.
IronMenz2020 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:24 
Before lift off, you have a tangential velocity along the surface of Kerbin.
This diagram illustrates it nicely: http://images.tutorvista.com/cms/images/83/tangential-velocity.png

As you lift off, you carry this tangential velocity as - if you like - lateral momentum. Notice how if you launch a rocket, not particularly high, say a few hundred meters, you don't stray too far from where you've launched (providing youve launched vertically and you havent used a parachute etc). There are two explanations for this, the first, as most people have said, Kerbin rotates beneath you. However, you also carry the lateral momentum that's the same as the surface of Kerbin. So, this doesn't fully explain why, it's a little more than just that Kerbin rotates. BUT it's more to do with the fact as you thrust upwards your lateral momentum is decreasing. A force acting in the opposite direction to the momentum will cause a change in the momentum, so my guess would be that maybe air resistance or the like, decreases your lateral momentum, hence the planet rotates faster than you.

As far as I'm aware this is the reason and may provide a bit more satisfaction rather than just "kerbin rotates". Either way, if you're interested in reading further, I'd suggest researching "circular motion" - if you haven't done so already.

Hopefully that helped a little :D

Edit: Grammar, formatting, etc.
最後修改者:IronMenz2020; 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:27
Drevin 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:26 
Hmm, I don't think these answer my problem, or I'm still thinking it's more complicated than it is. When I'm on the launch pad I'm facing straight into zenith. After I leave the pad, my nose starts pointing towards the West. I'm no longer on a vertical line between the middle point of the planet and the zenith (or perpendicular to the horizon). I know I have the initial impulse from the rotation of the planet, but why do I not keep going straight up vertically?

Perhaps it's due to the fact that while on the launch pad, the tip of my rocket travels through space slighty faster than the bottom of the rocket? But wouldn't that make me go East?
SievertChaser 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:27 
引用自 Drevin
Hmm, I don't think these answer my problem, or I'm still thinking it's more complicated than it is. When I'm on the launch pad I'm facing straight into zenith. After I leave the pad, my nose starts pointing towards the West. I'm no longer on a vertical line between the middle point of the planet and the zenith (or perpendicular to the horizon). I know I have the initial impulse from the rotation of the planet, but why do I not keep going straight up vertically?

Perhaps it's due to the fact that while on the launch pad, the tip of my rocket travels through space slighty faster than the bottom of the rocket? But wouldn't that make me go East?
I guess it does. 270 is East, right?
IronMenz2020 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:29 
引用自 Drevin
Hmm, I don't think these answer my problem, or I'm still thinking it's more complicated than it is. When I'm on the launch pad I'm facing straight into zenith. After I leave the pad, my nose starts pointing towards the West. I'm no longer on a vertical line between the middle point of the planet and the zenith (or perpendicular to the horizon). I know I have the initial impulse from the rotation of the planet, but why do I not keep going straight up vertically?

Perhaps it's due to the fact that while on the launch pad, the tip of my rocket travels through space slighty faster than the bottom of the rocket? But wouldn't that make me go East?

I believe my post above addressed this, because you carry some lateral momentum, you will not be going vertically upwards, also unless you are pointing perfectly vertically, gravity will act on you and will path will arc aswell.

Either that or I've misunderstood the question :P
最後修改者:IronMenz2020; 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:30
Drevin 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:30 
Thank you, Moon. I think you're on to the answer. It has to have something with momentum, I just need to look it up more to figure out exactly how this all comes together.
Gahooligan 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:31 
引用自 MoonTheLoon
Before lift off, you have a tangential velocity along the surface of Kerbin.
This diagram illustrates it nicely: http://images.tutorvista.com/cms/images/83/tangential-velocity.png

. As you thrust upwards vertically, depending on height, the force acting on you due to gravity decreases noticeably. BUT it's more to do with the fact as you thrust upwards your lateral momentum is decreasing.
Hopefully that helped a little :D

i can assure you it doesnt have anything to do with aerodynamics. at least not in kerbal. Its suprisingly simple.
As you thrust up your lateral velocity doesnt change unless you thrust in the opposite direction from your lateral velocity. It is just overcome by your vertical velocity. It's still there, theres just not enough to make a huge difference to your direction of travel.
Migz - DH 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:31 
Try building your rocket 90 degrees turned around its central axis from how it has been and see what happens.
Drevin 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:32 
引用自 MoonTheLoon

I believe my post above addressed this, because you carry some lateral momentum, you will not be going vertically upwards, also unless you are pointing perfectly vertically, gravity will act on you and will path will arc aswell.

Yes, I only read your post after I posted mine right after. I type slow...
IronMenz2020 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:35 
引用自 Gahooligan

i can assure you it doesnt have anything to do with aerodynamics. at least not in kerbal. Its suprisingly simple.
As you thrust up your lateral velocity doesnt change unless you thrust in the opposite direction from your lateral velocity. It is just overcome by your vertical velocity. It's still there, theres just not enough to make a huge difference to your direction of travel.

So I'm guessing it's just you have two velocities, your first being your vertical, the other being your lateral velocity. Once you've build up speed, your vertical velocity magnitude will be > your lateral velocity magnitude. Hence the resulting vector will be at an angle to the surface of Kerbin. That makes more sense, I think you're right :)

Also to keep in mind, if you're at a high altitude, your lateral velocity is the same as Kerbin's but your angular speed, i.e arcs per unit time, is less, thus relatively, Kerbin rotates under you supposedly 'quicker'. if you catch my drift.
最後修改者:IronMenz2020; 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:37
Gahooligan 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:36 
引用自 MoonTheLoon
引用自 Gahooligan

i can assure you it doesnt have anything to do with aerodynamics. at least not in kerbal. Its suprisingly simple.
As you thrust up your lateral velocity doesnt change unless you thrust in the opposite direction from your lateral velocity. It is just overcome by your vertical velocity. It's still there, theres just not enough to make a huge difference to your direction of travel.

So I'm guessing it's just you have two velocities, your first being your vertical, the other being your lateral velocity. Once you've build up speed, your vertical velocity magnitude will be > your lateral velocity magnitude. Hence the resulting vector will be at an angle to the surface of Kerbin. That makes more sense, I think you're right :)
bingo:KSmiley:
Drevin 2015 年 5 月 5 日 下午 12:36 
引用自 Migz - DH
Try building your rocket 90 degrees turned around its central axis from how it has been and see what happens.

I already tried that. The rocket is very basic and perfectly symetrical. No matter how I roll it in the VAB, it will always deviate to the West.
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