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McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 5 日 下午 3:13
Comm Network Not Using Relay Antenna?
I'm sending a science vesel to the Mun and I have previously placed a satelite with a relay antenna to orbit the mun. One that has a good connection back with Kerbin. However it seems as though even as I get close to the Mun, my science craft doesn't want to use the relay antenna for a better signal strength. What am I doing wrong?

I attached a screenshot here
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Eagle_of_Fire 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 8:57 
There might not be enough power on the craft in question.

Your antenna might not be properly set up. As in, is it deployed? Is it set to allow transmitting partial data?

Your relay antenna might also be out of range. Thus why I said what I said in my last post.
McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 9:02 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
There might not be enough power on the craft in question.

Your antenna might not be properly set up. As in, is it deployed? Is it set to allow transmitting partial data?

Your relay antenna might also be out of range. Thus why I said what I said in my last post.

Will it only connect to relay satelites if you need to transmit science or something. I just mean even for control it doesn't show the connecting line when i go to map view.

The relay satelites i've put up around kerbin and mun might be technically unnecessary but I wanted to make sure that comm relaying works and it doesn't seem to work.

I'm saying I dont see the line connecting before I even try to transmit any sort of science or anything. The science vessel as well as the relay satelites have tons of power and yes all the relay antennas are extended. I haven't changed the button for requiring full data or allowing partial data, would that even change what tries to connect to it for any reason?
Eagle_of_Fire 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 9:18 
I'd give it a shot. I myself always set up my antennas to allow transmitting partial data. All it really does is that if there is not enough power on the craft to transmit something in one go then all the power will be spent and no actual transmission will have taken place. It warn you that doing so might corrupt transmissions but I'm yet to see it happen.

In a situation in which you don't have enough power but do have some power trickling in via solar pannels or some such and it's not enough to finish the transmission in one go then the antenna will go on hold while power refill then continue once there is enough. It might take a while but it will eventually go thru.

Now, for your actual problem... If you don't see the direct lines in the tracking station then it must be that your antennas are not strong enough at one point in your chain to actually work right. Just look at your relay chain and look at what is going on at the last or the next satellite in the chain.
McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 9:32 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
Now, for your actual problem... If you don't see the direct lines in the tracking station then it must be that your antennas are not strong enough at one point in your chain to actually work right. Just look at your relay chain and look at what is going on at the last or the next satellite in the chain.

But the relay satelite at the Mun shows a direct green line to Kerbin with like 99% strength when i'm piloting it. How could it not be strong enough to chain a nearby vessel back to Kerbin? Does anything in the settings I showed int he screenshot suggest that it might not be good?
Eagle_of_Fire 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 9:34 
It only mean that the antenna on that craft is able to reach Kerbin. Either it's not a relay antenna or something block your transmission from the other craft. Somehow.

Edit: I do remember a specific problem I had with my research station orbiting Minmus. I've set on it both a relay and a normal antenna because I like redudancy in case of a problem. Turns out that I didn't have farings yet and the relay antenna I had placed on the very top got damaged during launch due to tidal stress I guess. It hardly showed at all visually and I only noticed after a long while because the craft was still able to use the normal antenna for direct communication with Kerbin. It didn't cripple me in the least tho because I actually already had several other relay satellites orbiting Minmus.
最後修改者:Eagle_of_Fire; 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 9:36
McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 6 日 下午 9:42 
引用自 Eagle_of_Fire
It only mean that the antenna on that craft is able to reach Kerbin. Either it's not a relay antenna or something block your transmission from the other craft. Somehow.

Edit: I do remember a specific problem I had with my research station orbiting Minmus. I've set on it both a relay and a normal antenna because I like redudancy in case of a problem. Turns out that I didn't have farings yet and the relay antenna I had placed on the very top got damaged during launch due to tidal stress I guess. It hardly showed at all visually and I only noticed after a long while because the craft was still able to use the normal antenna for direct communication with Kerbin. It didn't cripple me in the least tho because I actually already had several other relay satellites orbiting Minmus.

Is the HG-5 High Gain antenna not a Relay antenna? The type in the description says it is...
Elementus 2016 年 11 月 7 日 上午 12:43 
引用自 McSniffles
I still don't have an answer here as to why craft near a relay antenna don't just use the relay antenna instead of trying to communicate back to kerbin directly.

Edit: Here's a screenshot of my mun satelite. I think its just a crazy simple one. I just want to know why nothing that I fly near it uses it to connect back to Kerbin, especially when it doesn't have line of sight to Kerbin.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/192920657754130514/FD1FD5E09B3386E9DF1D8783FB834B9184E13D23/
You did get an answer, I told you that you need to put an antenna on your ship to connect to the relay
hottomo 2016 年 11 月 7 日 上午 1:02 
引用自 McSniffles
But the relay satelite at the Mun shows a direct green line to Kerbin with like 99% strength when i'm piloting it. How could it not be strong enough to chain a nearby vessel back to Kerbin?

I read somewhere that the range is a combination of the rating of emetter and receiver. The KSC (strong) may establish a link with the HG5 (low) and the ship (very low) while the ship could not with the relay.

Edit: putting antennas on the ship, what propose Elementus, would increase her rating and solve your issue. The integrated antennas of pods have a ridiculous rating and cannot transmit science.

Edit 2: here is an example. When I retract communotron, my ship lost all contacts but the newer of my sats around minmus
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795377840
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=795377849
最後修改者:hottomo; 2016 年 11 月 7 日 上午 4:02
Trixi 2016 年 11 月 7 日 上午 8:02 
Well, what i guessed. You have just a single relay antenna installed and i guess you just have a single antenna at your other vessel. As both antennas have a very small range, they cant connect to each other. So build more antennas per vessel (quadruple hg5 should be okay within kerbal system )
McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 7 日 上午 8:51 
引用自 Trixi
Well, what i guessed. You have just a single relay antenna installed and i guess you just have a single antenna at your other vessel. As both antennas have a very small range, they cant connect to each other. So build more antennas per vessel (quadruple hg5 should be okay within kerbal system )

Is there a formula I can use to figure out how far apart the hg5 and the commutron 16 need to be to get in contact?
Elementus 2016 年 11 月 7 日 上午 9:06 
引用自 McSniffles
引用自 Trixi
Well, what i guessed. You have just a single relay antenna installed and i guess you just have a single antenna at your other vessel. As both antennas have a very small range, they cant connect to each other. So build more antennas per vessel (quadruple hg5 should be okay within kerbal system )

Is there a formula I can use to figure out how far apart the hg5 and the commutron 16 need to be to get in contact?
If you have a lv3 tracking station minmus is the max distance both of them can communicate from
Shenji 2016 年 11 月 10 日 上午 1:13 
Just got the same problem. I sent another relay out there, everything is fine then. Confirmed that HG-5 was not for COMM RELAY.
McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 10 日 上午 8:27 
引用自 Shenji
Just got the same problem. I sent another relay out there, everything is fine then. Confirmed that HG-5 was not for COMM RELAY.

Actually my crafts use my satelite when I go to the opposite side of the Mun from Kerbin. It just turns out I just needed more HG-5s on the science or connecting craft to be able to talk to the other vessel.
DutchGamer78 2016 年 11 月 10 日 上午 9:07 
引用自 McSniffles
I still don't have an answer here as to why craft near a relay antenna don't just use the relay antenna instead of trying to communicate back to kerbin directly.

Edit: Here's a screenshot of my mun satelite. I think its just a crazy simple one. I just want to know why nothing that I fly near it uses it to connect back to Kerbin, especially when it doesn't have line of sight to Kerbin.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/192920657754130514/FD1FD5E09B3386E9DF1D8783FB834B9184E13D23/

That HG 5 is a direct antenna, the three fixed dishes are relay antenna's. When in doubt watch Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFHiLUE2Ig
McSniffles 2016 年 11 月 10 日 上午 9:52 
引用自 DutchGamer78
引用自 McSniffles
I still don't have an answer here as to why craft near a relay antenna don't just use the relay antenna instead of trying to communicate back to kerbin directly.

Edit: Here's a screenshot of my mun satelite. I think its just a crazy simple one. I just want to know why nothing that I fly near it uses it to connect back to Kerbin, especially when it doesn't have line of sight to Kerbin.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/192920657754130514/FD1FD5E09B3386E9DF1D8783FB834B9184E13D23/

That HG 5 is a direct antenna, the three fixed dishes are relay antenna's. When in doubt watch Scott: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWFHiLUE2Ig

HG-5 is a Relay antenna. I managed to actually have it relay for me already. It was just an issue of signal strength I was having before. If you bring up the toolbox description for it in-game it also identifies as a Relay instead of Direct. Com-16 and Com-16S are direct. HG-5 is Relay for early-game.
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