Outbound Firewall Rule

[stickmonkey2]

I created a custom rule within my Windows firewall to block outbound connections for KSP, do you think this effectively alleviates the privacy concerns created by the new EULA?

Edit: I can see there were already some inbound rules for Kerbal Space Program, I just blocked the connection for those too.

[Manwith Noname]

If you played KSP without that firewall, it's already too late, your soul is lost.

[Toastie Buns]

AND I CAN'T BLOCK THIS DATA ANYMORE
....I'VE FORGOTTEN WHAT I STARTED FIGHTING FOR

[Captain Crummy]

All your base are belong to us!

[Chibbity]

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

ONE OF US

[AlexMBrennan]

do you think this effectively alleviates the privacy concerns created by the new EULA

No. Personal firewalls are a scam made by people who don't understand how networks work for people who don't understand how networks work (e.g. "hiding" your PC by dropping all ping requests when anyone with a basic understanding of ICMP will realize that the nearest router will reply with "destination host unreachable" if the host doesn't exist - essentially the equivalent of shouting "I AM NOT AT HOME" when your mother-in-law is knocking on your door)

[hbk314]

Originally posted by stickmonkey2:

I created a custom rule within my Windows firewall to block outbound connections for KSP, do you think this effectively alleviates the privacy concerns created by the new EULA?

Edit: I can see there were already some inbound rules for Kerbal Space Program, I just blocked the connection for those too.

Whatever makes you feel better. There are no legitimate privacy concerns. Just "concerns" brought on by ignorant people.

[stickmonkey2]

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no need for the "INFORMATION COLLECTION & USAGE" clause in the EULA, it makes people uncomfortable and just looks like an invasive policy on it's face regardless of what T2 acutally does. KSP, as much as I love it, deserves it's rating to be tarnished if such a clause is part of the license agreement.

If there's a simple way to prevent "the transfer of any personal information and other information to Licensor, its affiliates, vendors, and business partners, and to certain other third parties" then why not? The T2 privacy policy says that by using their software you are consenting to collection of all sorts of information about you. They are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company and people should subvert their data collection and complain about their policies.

[hbk314]

Originally posted by stickmonkey2:

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no need for the "INFORMATION COLLECTION & USAGE" clause in the EULA, it makes people uncomfortable and just looks like an invasive policy on it's face regardless of what T2 acutally does. KSP, as much as I love it, deserves it's rating to be tarnished if such a clause is part of the license agreement.

If there's a simple way to prevent "the transfer of any personal information and other information to Licensor, its affiliates, vendors, and business partners, and to certain other third parties" then why not? The T2 privacy policy says that by using their software you are consenting to collection of all sorts of information about you. They are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ company and people should subvert their data collection and complain about their policies.

It specifies exactly what data is collected. It's things like hardware/OS information. No personal information is collected without your knowledge. That's a fact. I don't know what you mean by "all sorts of information."

[stickmonkey2]

The EULA says users are subject to the data collection provisions in the Privacy Policy, which states

"The information we collect may include personal information such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender, date of birth, zip code, hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchases, IP address and the systems you have played on. We may combine the information with your personal information and across other computers or devices that you may use. "

They don't need to collect and sell personal data. People don't need to be happy about personal data being collected and sold to third parties. Do other companies do the same stuff? Yeah, sure. That doesn't excuse it. Their policy should say "We don't need any of your data, just play the game".

[Frizz]

I dont care......

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

do you think this effectively alleviates the privacy concerns created by the new EULA

No. Personal firewalls are a scam made by people who don't understand how networks work for people who don't understand how networks work (e.g. "hiding" your PC by dropping all ping requests when anyone with a basic understanding of ICMP will realize that the nearest router will reply with "destination host unreachable" if the host doesn't exist - essentially the equivalent of shouting "I AM NOT AT HOME" when your mother-in-law is knocking on your door)

The windows firewall seems to blocking incoming and outgoing requests just fine though if configured correctly.

[hbk314]

Originally posted by stickmonkey2:

The EULA says users are subject to the data collection provisions in the Privacy Policy, which states

"The information we collect may include personal information such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender, date of birth, zip code, hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchases, IP address and the systems you have played on. We may combine the information with your personal information and across other computers or devices that you may use. "

They don't need to collect and sell personal data. People don't need to be happy about personal data being collected and sold to third parties. Do other companies do the same stuff? Yeah, sure. That doesn't excuse it. Their policy should say "We don't need any of your data, just play the game".

Why would you quote that out of context? Oh wait, with context you have no argument.

Originally posted by Take2 Privacy Policy:

Personal information is information that identifies you and that may be used to contact you online or offline. The Company collects personal information from you on a voluntary basis. When you submit personal information to the Company, it will usually take the form of:

Registration for Online Services, websites, jobs, products, contests, and special events;

Subscribing to newsletters or alerts;

Posting in or commenting on our message boards, forums, news blogs, chat rooms, or other Online Services;

Purchasing a product or services through our online stores;

Purchasing downloadable content, virtual items, or virtual currency for use with our software and/or Online Services;

Using "tell a friend," "email this page," or other E-Card features;

Requesting technical support;

Downloading demos, programs, or other software;

Participating in polls, surveys, and questionnaires; or

Otherwise through use of our software, including console products, mobile products, and personal computer products, and through the use of our online products or Online Services where personal information is required for use and/or participation.

The types of information collected in connection with the activities listed above will vary depending on the activity. The information we collect may include personal information such as your first and/or last name, e-mail address, phone number, photo, mailing address, geolocation, or payment information. In addition, we may collect your age, gender, date of birth, zip code, hardware configuration, console ID, software products played, survey data, purchases, IP address and the systems you have played on. We may combine the information with your personal information and across other computers or devices that you may use. Prize winners may be required to provide additional information for prize fulfillment.

I bolded the bit you posted out of context. You wanted to make it seem as though the game collects your personal information which clearly is not the case. With the context that I've provided, you can clearly see that all personal information is provided voluntarily.


As far as data sharing goes:

Originally posted by Take2 Privacy Policy:

The Company may also share your personal information with third parties as described in this Privacy Policy. The Company may share your personal information to fulfill a request you have made, such as signing up for an email list or requesting customer support. In the event we offer services or promotions where your personal information is separately collected and used according to the privacy policy of a third party, we will inform you of that at the time of collection and you may elect not to participate in the service or promotion. In addition, we may share aggregate and other information regarding Online Service usage statistics and user demographics with third parties.

We may share your personal and other information with third parties in connection with an investigation of fraud, intellectual property infringements, or other activity that is illegal or may expose you or us to legal liability, including as required by law enforcement or other government officials. We also may share your personal and other information with third parties when we have reason to believe that a disclosure is necessary to address potential or actual injury or interference with our rights, property, operations, users, or others who may be harmed or may suffer loss or damage, or when we believe that disclosure is necessary to protect our rights, investigate, or enforce our policies, terms and conditions, combat fraud and/or comply with a judicial proceeding, court order, or legal process served on the Company. In addition, your personal and other information may be disclosed to a potential or actual successor or assign in connection with a proposed or consummated merger, acquisition, reorganization, bankruptcy, or other similar event involving all or a portion of the Company, the Company's customer information may be transferred to our successor or assign.

As you can see, personal information would only be shared in a limited set of circumstances. It's never sold. I don't know if you're trying to mislead people for some reason, or if you're just ignorant. What is clear is that your post is totally false, attempting to use an out of context quote as "proof." Hopefully you'll take this information and stop misleading people going forward.

[stickmonkey2]

How is anything out of context? You just posted larger excerpts of those documents. They collect and use your personal information. That's not something a game dev, or anyone, needs to do. They collect your personal data, I don't even trust what they say they will do with it. But their own policy says they will share it with thrid parties around the globe. But, rest assured because

"These third parties are not permitted to use such information for their own marketing purposes"

Yeah, ok. They use personal information for marketing, and most likely sell the data on to other marketing companies. I won't be satisfied with T2 until their policy says they specifically don't gather any personal data.

[Captain Crummy]

Originally posted by stickmonkey2:

How is anything out of context? You just posted larger excerpts of those documents. They collect and use your personal information. That's not something a game dev, or anyone, needs to do. They collect your personal data, I don't even trust what they say they will do with it. But their own policy says they will share it with thrid parties around the globe. But, rest assured because

"These third parties are not permitted to use such information for their own marketing purposes"

Yeah, ok. They use personal information for marketing, and most likely sell the data on to other marketing companies. I won't be satisfied with T2 until their policy says they specifically don't gather any personal data.

Please read Steam's privacy policy, oh and Apple or Windows' for that matter. Please shut down your PC, or disconnect from the internet entirely if you find anything suspicious. Bye!

[hbk314]

Originally posted by stickmonkey2:

How is anything out of context? You just posted larger excerpts of those documents. They collect and use your personal information. That's not something a game dev, or anyone, needs to do. They collect your personal data, I don't even trust what they say they will do with it. But their own policy says they will share it with thrid parties around the globe. But, rest assured because

"These third parties are not permitted to use such information for their own marketing purposes"

Yeah, ok. They use personal information for marketing, and most likely sell the data on to other marketing companies. I won't be satisfied with T2 until their policy says they specifically don't gather any personal data.

You're an idiot.

It's out of context because you're using it to suggest that the game collects personal info and that Take2 collects personal info just for the hell of it.

It would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to send you promotional e-mails without your e-mail address. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for them to collect payment for a product they're selling you without your name, e-mail, payment information and zip code.

That's what the text is referring to when they talk about "collecting" information. That's why context is important. Otherwise people like you can try to deliberately mislead people.

You've clearly made up your mind and are cherry-picking text out of context to "support" your argument. When you say you assume they're lying about how they handle information in the privacy policy, you lose all credibility.

You should learn how to handle being wrong instead of being so close-minded. You've lost here. Accept it and move on.