How to remove "Chutes" backpack in space?

[Kilo_60]

IIRC 1.5 added Parachutes to the backs of all Kerbals...

Is there a way to remove them for spacewalks and on planets with Zero ATMO?

Thanks!

[Shoddyfrog]

"Small planes can't fly high enough for parachutes to work"
XD is that what they told you? Sounds like they were just too cheap to provide them.

[Chibbity]

Shoddyfrog eredeti hozzászólása:

"Small planes can't fly high enough for parachutes to work"
XD is that what they told you? Sounds like they were just too cheap to provide them.

As I said, you'd never even get the door open, have you ever flown in a 1 or 2 seater plane? I'm not even sure where you'd keep a parachute lol? There is barely room for pilot and co pilot. As I explained above, below cloud level isn't terribly high most days, and we can assume you're already losing altitude or you wouldn't be trying to bail.

I think your imagining some kind of small passenger prop plane, that carries a dozen or so people.

Even those don't provide passengers with parachutes though.

[Shoddyfrog]

They do it in Hollywood movies ;)

[Yuki]

Kilo_60 eredeti hozzászólása:

When the hell has any astronaut ever worn a parachute pack over their EVA suit? I've yet to see an EVA with a parachute pack? Have you?

Really? Here you go!
https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_detail_xxlarge/public/athlete/image/p-20130204-00180_news.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/10/14/a01-ear-2-15-16_9.jpg

Okay okay i know. Not a space agency. But hey, EVA suit with chute - why not? :D

Chibbity eredeti hozzászólása:

A. Most small private planes are flown by people without instrument ratings, which means you have to fly below cloud level. Which severely limits your altitude. Also, exiting a plane in level, stable flight would be difficult; let alone if something went wrong. I doubt you could even get the door open on a Cessna against the force of the wind.

Seems to depend highly on the country mayhaps? And the actual vehicle.
If you go lower than a Cessna, in Microlight they are kind of standard issue over here. Sometimes personal, sometimes the whole craft.

And Cessna usually fly higher and faster than us, higher than skyscrapers where people use to base- jump off.

You need about 60m minimum alt. That is considering your vertical is >=0 m/s.
To put that into perspective the MINIMUM Alt for motorized flight is 300m above everything in view - except during start and landing obviously.

Thats why <100m is also called the "danger zone". Not only does wind become less predictable and more disturbing, not only are power lines a lethal enemy now, if something happens chances are your chute wont slow you down enough.

But using it would be surprisingly easy. The speeds involved in very low athmosphere aint that high. You can indeed open a door at 300 kph even against the wind- if your life depends on it.
And if you lost control chances are you are way slower already.

[Toastie Buns]

There's just no reason to jump out of a cessna, you'd do a controlled landing and hope for the best. Your glide ratio is 9:1, every 9,000ft of travel you lose 1,000ft of altitude.

I should add that when you're taught to fly you do both powered and non powered landings, it's not like you'd suddenly be in an unfamiliar world. Worst case scenario you lose electrical power, which knocks out flaps, which means you can't shorten your glide slope using flaps.
Ultimately that just means you're gonna land a little further away than you intended

[Chibbity]

Yuki eredeti hozzászólása:

But using it would be surprisingly easy. The speeds involved in very low athmosphere aint that high. You can indeed open a door at 300 kph even against the wind- if your life depends on it.
And if you lost control chances are you are way slower already.

I can tell you from personal experience, that we actually had a window come open on us one time, and neither of us could pull it back shut. (Granted, our lives didn't depend on it, and after a bit we actually enjoyed the fresh air! Lol.)

The window opens "up and out", and just the lift from the wind on the window was stronger than either of us could manage, and we're both grown men. (The pilot, who was sitting next to the window is a pretty big guy, compared to me anyways; and we both do jobs involving manual labor.)

The door opens forward, into the wind. I don't fancy your chances. (Granted though, as you said; this depends heavily on the type of aircraft you're flying.)

[Kilo_60]

Yuki eredeti hozzászólása:

Kilo_60 eredeti hozzászólása:

When the hell has any astronaut ever worn a parachute pack over their EVA suit? I've yet to see an EVA with a parachute pack? Have you?

Really? Here you go!
https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/styles/article_detail_xxlarge/public/athlete/image/p-20130204-00180_news.jpg

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2012/10/14/a01-ear-2-15-16_9.jpg

Okay okay i know. Not a space agency. But hey, EVA suit with chute - why not? :D

Chibbity eredeti hozzászólása:

A. Most small private planes are flown by people without instrument ratings, which means you have to fly below cloud level. Which severely limits your altitude. Also, exiting a plane in level, stable flight would be difficult; let alone if something went wrong. I doubt you could even get the door open on a Cessna against the force of the wind.

Seems to depend highly on the country mayhaps? And the actual vehicle.
If you go lower than a Cessna, in Microlight they are kind of standard issue over here. Sometimes personal, sometimes the whole craft.

And Cessna usually fly higher and faster than us, higher than skyscrapers where people use to base- jump off.

You need about 60m minimum alt. That is considering your vertical is >=0 m/s.
To put that into perspective the MINIMUM Alt for motorized flight is 300m above everything in view - except during start and landing obviously.

Thats why <100m is also called the "danger zone". Not only does wind become less predictable and more disturbing, not only are power lines a lethal enemy now, if something happens chances are your chute wont slow you down enough.

But using it would be surprisingly easy. The speeds involved in very low athmosphere aint that high. You can indeed open a door at 300 kph even against the wind- if your life depends on it.
And if you lost control chances are you are way slower already.

Good God?

That pack is as big as a mini capsule? Holy crap hope the Dev's don't replace the WWII Era looking chute packs with those!!!

Love to see an astronaut try to take a seat in any cramped spacecraft with that monstrosity on his back!... LOL!

BTW Isn't that a sub-stratosphere record setting chute jump from a balloon? Not quite practical for regular space suit use and would involve a straight drop down. Not a drop at an orbital speed in which any spacesuit in existence would burn off long before you were able to deploy a parachute!

[Kilo_60]

All this talk of practical use of parachutes on modern aircraft is a moot point anyway...

Any spacecraft in use today would have an ELS system or some type of ejection seats for use prior to making orbit and wouldn't involve jumping from an EVA orbit into the atmosphere with a WWII Era Chute Pack strapped over an EVA suit... LMFAO!

[ray.mcdonough]

Chibbity eredeti hozzászólása:

Wut Kilo_60 said. ^

Parachutes aren't used for anything really these days. I still remember going up flying in a Cessna the first time (A small private plane) and when I was telling my mother about flying it she said in a very concerned voice "You were wearing a parachute though right?" which made me burst out laughing. (Small planes don't go high enough, a parachute wouldn't help you, it'd never have time to open, assuming you managed to safely depart a crashing airplane at all.)

@Kilo_60, as I mentioned above, the lines that govern when Kerbals earn their parachutes is in traits.cfg. You may be able to convince the game to just never give it to them at all by playing with those lines a bit? I haven't tried myself, but after a brief peak at some game files, it was the only reference to the parachutes I could find.

Chibbity; You can too bail out of a small plane. I have 80 some hours in Cessna 150's, with a few hours in other types, including a T-34 Mentor. As a matter of fact, when doing aerobatic maneuvers in the Cessna 150 aerobat you have to wear chutes by FAA regs.

[Chibbity]

ray.mcdonough eredeti hozzászólása:

Chibbity; You can too bail out of a small plane. I have 80 some hours in Cessna 150's, with a few ours in other types, including a T-34 Mentor. As a matter of fact, when doing aerobatic maneuvers in the Cessna 150 aerobat you have to wear chutes by FAA regs.

I'm not saying it's "impossible", just not likely, nor commonly practiced.

I still don't think you could get the door open, we couldn't even get the window closed, the wind kept tearing it out of our hands. I suppose if it were life or death that might make the difference?

If the plane was in a state to glide in a relatively stable manner, you'd just land it as best you could. If the plane isn't in a state to glide, then it's most likely rapidly falling out of the air, or extremely unstable. Between wrestling with the door and actually clearing your body of the plane, I wouldn't fancy my chances of survival in that situation even with a parachute.

[ray.mcdonough]

This 'roadable aircraft' the Terrafugia Transition is suppose to come with a ballistically deployed parachute that brings down the whole vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnF2yua4KIw

[Chibbity]

Lol, that's so Kerbal.

A flying car with a parachute.

The wheels even seriously look straight up ripped from KSP.

[Kilo_60]

Chibbity eredeti hozzászólása:

ray.mcdonough eredeti hozzászólása:

Chibbity; You can too bail out of a small plane. I have 80 some hours in Cessna 150's, with a few ours in other types, including a T-34 Mentor. As a matter of fact, when doing aerobatic maneuvers in the Cessna 150 aerobat you have to wear chutes by FAA regs.

I'm not saying it's "impossible", just not likely, nor commonly practiced.

I still don't think you could get the door open, we couldn't even get the window closed, the wind kept tearing it out of our hands. I suppose if it were life or death that might make the difference?

If the plane was in a state to glide in a relatively stable manner, you'd just land it as best you could. If the plane isn't in a state to glide, then it's most likely rapidly falling out of the air, or extremely unstable. Between wrestling with the door and actually clearing your body of the plane, I wouldn't fancy my chances of survival in that situation even with a parachute.

Not to mention how uncomfortable and non-practical wearing a parachute pack on your back while seated or trying to fit in these small planes would be!

Besides, the seats and cockpit designs of WWII aircraft were made with the consideration of pilots wearing Chute packs and the AC were designed to escape from a lot easier than any modern plane...

I could barely squeeze into the co-pilot seat of my Dad's Bonanza and had to wear a backpack chute when I flew in a 2-seater T-6 Texan and did aerobatics. Not the most comfortable thing to strapped tightly to your body when flying and any flight longer than 2 hours you'd be miserable based on my experience!

[ray.mcdonough]

Chibbity eredeti hozzászólása:

ray.mcdonough eredeti hozzászólása:

Chibbity; You can too bail out of a small plane. I have 80 some hours in Cessna 150's, with a few ours in other types, including a T-34 Mentor. As a matter of fact, when doing aerobatic maneuvers in the Cessna 150 aerobat you have to wear chutes by FAA regs.

I'm not saying it's "impossible", just not likely, nor commonly practiced.

I still don't think you could get the door open, we couldn't even get the window closed, the wind kept tearing it out of our hands. I suppose if it were life or death that might make the difference?

If the plane was in a state to glide in a relatively stable manner, you'd just land it as best you could. If the plane isn't in a state to glide, then it's most likely rapidly falling out of the air, or extremely unstable. Between wrestling with the door and actually clearing your body of the plane, I wouldn't fancy my chances of survival in that situation even with a parachute.

I heard a story when I was in the Navy Flying Club where some chief took off in a Cessna 150 with control locks still on the control surfaces. He brought it back and landed using the doors to turn, and throttle and trim to control altitude. Or so they said.

You could squeeze out of a door to one of these with a little effort. And you wouldn't have to go back on the wing to start falling and risk hitting the horizontal stabilizer, you would just start falling.

[ray.mcdonough]

They have rapid deployment 'chutes too, so if you could get out the door, you would have a very good chance of getting a canopy as low as 1000 feet. Or even lower.