Kerbal Space Program

Kerbal Space Program

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Will 26 AGO 2019 a las 6:50 a. m.
KSP2 is already doomed
So there's this gameplay footage that just came out, on top of us know it still runs on the worst game engine, we now have confirmation it will feature even worse performance than KSP1.
I mean just look at it, it's a rockets with 5-6 boosters so maybe 50 parts? and it's running at like 20 FPS, never mind the exact same part wiggling problem we've had in KSP 1 for years.

About the only half-decent thing they added is looks like it's got true HDR rendering now, I mean yea that's great, now we have a feature that was introduced in 2007, only 12 years late, yea...
What could possibly be wrong with a cheap, easy to use, modified smartphone game engine designed for simple side scroller games?
At least I can finally play KSP1 at 60FPS while at the KSC now, since I upgraded to the 2080ti.
Última edición por Will; 26 AGO 2019 a las 6:56 a. m.
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AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:02 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:
This is classic Steam intellectual debate.
Indeed.
Patriot03 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:06 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:
This is classic Steam intellectual debate.

Yea, talking about game's physics [that ('s) means the physics which belong to the game] is apparently prone to causing ... well... this...
Última edición por Patriot03; 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:07 p. m.
AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:07 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Patriot03:
Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:
This is classic Steam intellectual debate.

Yea, talking about game's physics (that 's means the physics which belong to the game) is apparently prone to causing ... well... this...

Yeah a wall of text when someone doesn't like being made fun of.
Patriot03 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:09 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:

Yeah a wall of text when someone doesn't like being made fun of.

Dude, you have to be in the right before you try and make fun of them, also maybe aspire to make actual points other than "Making fun". Otherwise you're just a troll.

How do you expect to be treated? Most people would curse at you and end up getting their steam account blocked from the forums because of it. What I've done has taken a great deal of restraint given your position.
Última edición por Patriot03; 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:14 p. m.
SolarFlare1234 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:13 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por MechBFP:
This is classic Steam intellectual debate.
tried and true for years, gotta love it eh?
AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:16 p. m. 
If people can't take a joke and have a wobbly that is on them. I am not going to concern myself with it.
Patriot03 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:17 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
If people can't take a joke and have a wobbly that is on them. I am not going to concern myself with it.

Dude, no one believes you were joking, let me fetch the first quote.
AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:19 p. m. 
Feel free to quote the posts where I clearly say I am ridiculing you.

Patriot03 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:21 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
Lol wut? Of course it uses the same physics, its PHYSICS. You cant rewrite the laws of physics.

^Nonsense

Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
You cannot change the underlying physics, you can only improve accuracy. Ergo, your statement was nonsense.

^u wut? Believe me, I can change the underlying physics. I'm a programmer, I make the damn physics.

Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:

Mate you can back pedal all you want, and add as many qualifiers as you want. It doesn't change your original statement from being any less ridiculous.

^SALT



Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
yes your original statement I quoted IS entirely ridiculous as I have explained.

^Sure it is..

Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
No I understand perfectly well. You just made a booboo and cant accept it.

If you wanted to say

"they're using the same poor approximation of physics that will yield similar results to what we've seen in the first game"

Then you should have said that. You didnt. Your original statement lacks any detail, nuance, or fundamental grasp of the games newtonian based physics.

"Use the same physics", Newtonian as apposed to johnny cash's laws of physics?

But please do carry on adding qualifiers after the fact.


So, can we conclude you were joking? Of course not. That would be laughable. You're simply trying to weasel out of an awkward situation that you started because YOU said something ridiculous...
Última edición por Patriot03; 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:24 p. m.
AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:28 p. m. 
My original post even went as so far as to (almost) quote Scotty;

https://gfycat.com/disloyalspecificandeancat


But hey just because your pop culture references are stunted lets keep going;


ridicule
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noun
noun: ridicule

the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
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synonyms: mockery, derision, laughter, scorn, scoffing, contempt, jeering, sneering, sneers, jibes, jibing, joking, teasing, taunts, taunting, ragging, chaffing, twitting, raillery, sarcasm, satire, lampoon, burlesque, caricature, parody; More
informalkidding, kidology, ribbing, joshing;
informalwinding up, taking the mickey;
informalgoofing, razzing, pulling someone's chain;
informalchiacking;
archaicsport;
vulgar slangtaking the piss
"he was subjected to ridicule by his colleagues"
antonyms: praise, respect

verb
verb: ridicule; 3rd person present: ridicules; past tense: ridiculed; past participle: ridiculed; gerund or present participle: ridiculing

subject to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
"his theory was ridiculed and dismissed"
synonyms: deride, mock, laugh at, heap scorn on, hold up to shame, hold up to ridicule, expose to ridicule, jeer at, jibe at, sneer at, show up, treat with contempt, scorn, make fun of, poke fun at, make jokes about, laugh to scorn, scoff at, pillory, be sarcastic about, satirize, lampoon, burlesque, caricature, parody, tease, taunt, rag, chaff, twit;


The games underlying physics is a simulation based on Newtonian laws. So making the claim of "using the same physics" yelds the result of;

Lolwut? <--- comical expression

Quotes scotty;

You can not change the laws of physics


(EDIT*) Also almost forgot this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p77XnhzJz7g
Última edición por AoD_lexandro; 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:45 p. m.
AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:32 p. m. 
And that ladies and gents is why explaining a joke is never funny. Particularly when people have no sense of humour, and cant take a joke at their own expense.
Última edición por AoD_lexandro; 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:32 p. m.
SolarFlare1234 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:48 p. m. 
bonus points for TOS but combining ridicule and some reference doesn't make a joke
Patriot03 31 AGO 2019 a las 9:54 p. m. 
"using the same physics"

Literally everyone who isn't you - Understands.

Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
"using the same physics" yelds the result of;

Lolwut?
^ You. This is the result if you fundamentally misunderstand physics, game physics, and basic contextual comprehension.


Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
The games underlying physics is a simulation based on Newtonian laws.

If you mean the literal definition of "simulate"
transitive verb To have or take on the appearance, sound, or character of; imitate: synonym: imitate.
transitive verb To make in imitation of or as a substitute for."

then yes, even drawing a picture of a collision could count as a simulation.

KSP is merely attempting to visually mimic the effects you would expect from an accurate physical representation or simulation which is NOT being performed.

For example, aerodynamics are completely faked in KSP. It's done simply with math that does NOT involve an atmosphere with any physical properties besides a single float variable multiplied by altitude to produce your lift/drag/and heating effects. Script is being ran, physically accurate simulations are not being performed.

I do CGI simulations that involve ACTUAL Newtonian simulations and even those are AWFUL if you don't increase all accuracy vars, physics steps, and calculations per frame. But KSP ain't even close to that. KSP as with ANY physics system in ANY game technically counts as a "simulation" of what ever type of physics you want to mention, but so what?

We're talking about the game's physics as an existing thing, we've seen it, we know it, and we can understand how it looks by looking at the math that composes it. It's a tangible thing, and that's what we're talking about.

When we say it has the same physics as the previous game, we clearly aren't saying "Oh man, it's attempting to simulate Newtonian physics just like KSP 1 tried to do" we CLEARLY mean it has the same physics - the tangible thing we were taking about as KSP one, which means KSP 2, by our observation will simulate physics with the same or similar code as the first game and therefore will have the same issues if wonky solutions aren't added before release such as auto-strut which will fix wobble but won't help with performance.

^ If you aren't able to understand that, that's on you. You can blame it on anything you want and refuse to take ANY responsibility for your own reading skills, but you don't get to sit here and act like what I said was wrong. Not happening as far as you expecting me NOT to defend myself against such ridiculousness.

Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
You can not change the laws of physics

irrelevant quote and there never was any joke.

PS: Yes I know the word "tangible" isn't applicable since we can't touch it, but you get the point.
Última edición por Patriot03; 31 AGO 2019 a las 10:04 p. m.
AoD_lexandro 31 AGO 2019 a las 10:00 p. m. 
You still here?

Thought you were leaving?

Still trying to "s'plain" why a joke I made isn't funny to you I see.
Última edición por AoD_lexandro; 31 AGO 2019 a las 10:00 p. m.
Patriot03 31 AGO 2019 a las 10:02 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por AoD_lexandro:
Still trying to "s'plain" why a joke isnt funny I to you I see.

Well I was going to say it wasn't a joke but then I got the definition here and..

"joke
n. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
n. A mischievous trick; a prank.
n. Something that is of ludicrously poor quality."

You're right, your argument was a joke.
Última edición por Patriot03; 31 AGO 2019 a las 10:05 p. m.
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