Quake III Arena

Quake III Arena

Copper Sep 30, 2018 @ 9:14am
Nightmare mode.
Hey, guys! One question. Two, actually.
First, is it just me, or when there are few bots in one area with you, they all seem to concentrate fire on YOU exactly instead of each other, no?
Second. Forgive my French, but how the ♥♥♥♥ am i supposed to beat the last few "Cosmic" levels?! It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ impossible, no closed tights places, no BFG, fall traps everywhere. How, just how??? How did YOU beat the pre-last tier, what strategy did you use? Because i can't, it's freakin' impossible.
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1v4n94 Oct 11, 2018 @ 9:51am 
Originally posted by Copper:
those two maps are very open, and with Nightmare bots' aim, well... I don't know, i just need some sorta strategy. I think they even shoot faster than me.
The average reaction time for a Nightmare bot is 0.5 seconds, so it's probable that they shoot first. In my case I find it difficult to play in open areas with such difficulty. I normally play on Nightmare in maps that allow for close-quarters combat with plenty of cover.
1v4n94 Oct 11, 2018 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by 1v4n94:
Originally posted by Copper:
those two maps are very open, and with Nightmare bots' aim, well... I don't know, i just need some sorta strategy. I think they even shoot faster than me.
The average reaction time for a Nightmare bot is 0.5 seconds, so it's probable that they shoot first. In my case I find it difficult to play in open areas with such difficulty. I normally play on Nightmare in maps that allow for close-quarters combat with plenty of cover.
Other than that, I normally get my a$$ kicked, haha.
1v4n94 Oct 11, 2018 @ 9:55am 
Flisk, the bot I created using the Klesk/Flisk skin, uses 0.4 or 0.45 reaction time, if I recall correctly. I wanted to create the deadliest bot for Quake 3, but setting that value lower than 0.4 makes the bots shoot too early, even before actually aiming towards the opponent, which is clearly, a disadvantage for them, implying they would have to shoot at least two times with the Railgun to connect 1 hit.
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1v4n94 Oct 11, 2018 @ 9:59am 
Flisk (alongside other bots) can be downloaded from here: https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/5693
Copper Oct 11, 2018 @ 12:45pm 
Originally posted by 1v4n94:
Flisk (alongside other bots) can be downloaded from here: https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/5693

Huh. That's funny, becasue i play as Klesk, exactly in that colour, i like that character. But pardon me, what is the difference? I open your link and the first thing i see is a standard blue-ish Klesk model. Or am i missing something? What's the difference between Flisk and Klesk, the reaction time?
1v4n94 Oct 11, 2018 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by Copper:
Originally posted by 1v4n94:
Flisk (alongside other bots) can be downloaded from here: https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/5693

Huh. That's funny, becasue i play as Klesk, exactly in that colour, i like that character. But pardon me, what is the difference? I open your link and the first thing i see is a standard blue-ish Klesk model. Or am i missing something? What's the difference between Flisk and Klesk, the reaction time?
I don't quite remember since I don't play Q3 as I used to, but I took Xaero as a reference to create Flisk, so expect a challenge when you face it.
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1v4n94 Oct 11, 2018 @ 1:03pm 
Or you could make Flisk and Klesk fight each other to see the differences, and watch 'em fight ;)
Last edited by 1v4n94; Oct 11, 2018 @ 1:05pm
Copper Oct 11, 2018 @ 1:12pm 
Originally posted by 1v4n94:
Or you could make Flisk and Klesk fight each other to see the differences, and watch 'em fight ;)
Hmmm, i'd definitely watch them two... playing with each other, he-he ;)
Copper Mar 3, 2019 @ 9:09pm 
Guys. I did it. I freakin' did it, i've beaten every single level on Nightmare. Including Xaero. It took me a few years in general, i think. Now i can finally make the tattoo, i think i've earned it now. :)
1v4n94 Mar 4, 2019 @ 6:28pm 
Originally posted by Copper:
Guys. I did it. I freakin' did it, i've beaten every single level on Nightmare. Including Xaero. It took me a few years in general, i think. Now i can finally make the tattoo, i think i've earned it now. :)
GREAT!!!! You are of course worthy of carrying such tatoo now 😊
Copper Mar 4, 2019 @ 11:47pm 
Thaaaanks! If Steam had achivs for Q3, i think this one would have been one of the hardest to obtain ever.
1v4n94 Mar 5, 2019 @ 3:37am 
Originally posted by Copper:
Thaaaanks! If Steam had achivs for Q3, i think this one would have been one of the hardest to obtain ever.
You are welcome, and... INDEED! It's one of the hardest things in this game, if not the hardest.

Now, a question for you; which map was the most entertaining and challenging for you excluding The Very End of You? In my case, I loved fighting against Hunter in her map (was it Dueling Keeps?)
Copper Mar 5, 2019 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by 1v4n94:
Originally posted by Copper:
Thaaaanks! If Steam had achivs for Q3, i think this one would have been one of the hardest to obtain ever.
You are welcome, and... INDEED! It's one of the hardest things in this game, if not the hardest.

Now, a question for you; which map was the most entertaining and challenging for you excluding The Very End of You? In my case, I loved fighting against Hunter in her map (was it Dueling Keeps?)

Well, that's a very good question, thanks for asking. So, yeah, Hunter was a nightmare indeed, almost as hard as Xaero, but not quite. I don't know how i managed to beat her after so many times i've tried. In fact, i found almost all one-on-one maps extremely difficult on Nightmare except Uriel, i defeated him pretty fast. Klesk was very tough to beat, Anarki was a very tough one, even Phobos, the very first map surprised me very much in terms of difficulty.

The most entertaining map definitely was the one with BFG and a long water tunnel, it was an easy one, loved it. All because of the BFG, it was no problem at all.

Also there was one map that i've beaten AFTER Xaero, i don't remember its name, but it had a considerable amount of enemies on it, it was one of those space levels, but after defeating the boss i was in such a rush, i just went there and won after a couple tries. That other space level posed a very difficult challenge, the one with a small jump platform with Railgun on it. By my own statistics, if i stayed on the common ground there, i lived 5-10 seconds in general before being torn to bloody pieces by Major most of the time.
Ikagura Mar 7, 2019 @ 3:16am 
Two golden rules of arena shooters:

1) Get a near-perfect aiming (especially with the Railgun)
2) Learn the map layout and the bot routes (to gain a tactical advantage over them)

PS: another important rule is to know how to move (bhopping and rocket jumping are the two classic methods to move faster)
Phoenix Mar 8, 2019 @ 8:03pm 
One area with bots is specific bots will ALWAYS favor a specific weapon. For example, Hunter. If you play Nightmare hunter and just roam the level she'll flatten you. If, however, you tank up on health and armor and camp near the lightning gun spawn and prevent her from getting that specific weapon you can roll her easy.

Same thing with Xaero. Xaero will ALWAYS go for the railgun and ALWAYS use the railgun when possible, and playing on Nightmare he will NEVER MISS. The trick to beating Xaero is to keep him from getting the railgun. If he spawns on your pad he's pretty easy to kill if you peg him while he either goes for the rocket launcher or hits the bounce pad, so long as you peek out, shoot him, and peek back behind a pillar to avoid his machinegun shots. If he goes for the railgun and you have enough health you can actually get between him and the railgun and gauntlet him pretty easily.

If Xaero spawns on the opposite platform that's a bigger problem. You're going to have to peg him twice with the rail to kill him before he picks it up, otherwise he WILL hit you with his first shot. You'll either have to accept getting hit once at that point and peg him a second time before he fires again, or you're dead. At that point hope that you respawn on the same pad he's on and can get to the rocket launcher or rail and stay out of sight before he hits you. Don't machinegun him unless you've hit him once with the rail already and he's not picked up any health orbs. If he has his back turned he's a sucker for a gauntlet hit if you wait to press fire until you're on top of him. If he goes for the bounce pad into the air from the same platform you're on you can rail him before he hits the second pad that goes to the BFG, but once he hits that second pad he'll be facing you and rail you. If you don't have the rail yet, hide behind a pillar and shoot the button to drop him, or alternatively, let him get the BFG and rail him. You can dodge the BFG shots easier than the rail.

Bots alone are predictable. It's when you get in a big fight with several bots that it becomes problematic - especially on maps where it's easy to get shot in the back. Any bot that favors hitscan weapons - railgun, lightning gun, and shotgun - are going to be more problematic than bots that favor rockets and plasma since rockets and plasma are not instant hit. Learn the favorite weapon of each bot, and learn to hit as accurately as you can with the rail.
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Date Posted: Sep 30, 2018 @ 9:14am
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