Question about loot and difficulty

[Opochtli]

I know Ultimate gives better xp and more loot but since the change to monster infrequent dropping on every single boss kill you are farming, does farming an infrequent on a lower difficulty like normal just faster and the way to go? I don't think difficulty influence the quality of the gear, I find this kinda odd that I can get my god gear in a way easier difficulty.

[Faust Wither]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Faust Wither:

the totem on normal difficulty never drop a single "seal" blueprint, but once i clear totem on elite start drops.

because they drop loot based on level? like i just said?
and they don't scale high enough on Normal, thus you get level 5-60 blueprints
but SR scales to char level, always, thus Normal SR 75-76 is good, (actually great) for blueprint farming; because SR drops all blueprints
meanwhile you would have the same issue with nemesis: their chest scales loot based on area level, so you don't get high enough levels outside end FG and Malmouth, which would such on Nemesis hunt vs time compared to SR 75-76 Normal
meanwhile Totems on Ultimate would be totally fine, not as good as SR but ok, and "only" nemesis that would be decent on Ultimate is Maiden/Zantarin because fast farm
otherwise SR is simply just better, because you get 5-8 blueprints per run, with much less RNG than totems or Nemesis, and more guaranteed time/clears because no RNG spawns to deal with

so what the level requiredment for "seal" component drop? i need help lmao.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

i could not tell you what the exact level requirement is, and it's different depending on which type of seal too, some of the AoM component blueprint are lower tier than others, which is ex also why get seal of might before seal of annihilation drop (usually), but around level 70-90
but ex if you go kill fabius in Cronley's lair on Normal, he wont drop you AoM component blueprints, because the area doesn't scale high enough
if you go kill fabius in cronley lair on ultimate he will drop seal blueprint
likewise for totems in XY area - because of level scaling, not difficulty setting
however, SR scales to *player* level, and SR can scale to max on Normal, which means you can get all blueprints on SR 75-76 Normal, even if you can't from other sources - and because of the amount and less RNG/time it's a *great* place, dare i say the best, for blueprint farm

[madrigal]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Faust Wither:

also you have better chance finding some blueprint on nemesis box instead totem or shattered realm.

unless that got changed in v1.2 specifically, then my blueprint test runs disagrees with this
SR 75-76 is/was the best blueprint source, for all blueprint types
Monster totems were fine
only good nemesis was Iron Maiden and Zantarin (because fast farm)
quality didn't really matter, they all seem to spawn with the same, but because SR has higher guaranteed quantity just made it better vs time spent

My experience with the current version is SR is better for blueprints when you don't have very many of them. And obviously for the ones that drop only in SR.

Trying to get those last 20 or so legendary blueprints is really hard. For me it's much less stressful (more fun) to hunt Nemesis on ultimate than run high level SR. SR 75-76 on ultimate is just unpleasant, and for me not worth the effort. I have a couple characters that will do 65, but that's as high as I ever want to go. There is nothing so special about the blueprints that one should have to farm such high level content to get them in a reasonable amount of time. Sure, one expects drop rates to be higher on higher level content, but unless it's something like 10x or 20x higher, 99.9% of players are not going to care.

It seems Crate's intent for the patch and expansion is to make a lot of items easier to obtain. Hopefully, that includes blueprints.

[Faust Wither]

grind dawn, because the game literaly make me grinding until dawn for blueprint ngl.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von madrigal:

SR 75-76 on ultimate is just unpleasant, and for me not worth the effort.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

you can get all blueprints on SR 75-76 Normal,

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

thus Normal SR 75-76 is good, (actually great) for blueprint farming; because SR drops all blueprints

i can reiterate and emphasise it one more time: *SR 75-76 on Normal*
*caveat being i legit don't know if that will last or change going forward, since atm seems there is SR changes inbound
but atleast until you upgrade to 1.2, currently, even Normal SR 75-76 gives you great/the best blueprint payout, and is why i frequently recommend it for beginner farm

now, that might only change the difficulty aspect for you, i'm not stating anything to the subjective enjoyment of XY farming or Nemesis hunting compared, but loot vs time/amount of blueprints missing, SR is currently the most efficient, even if you do it on Normal

edit, did a quick Normal SR 75-76 run on current v1.2 test patch, and still gets loads of blueprints as usual (also despite currently missing 1/bugged reward chest)
tho that doesn't mean it can't change later ofc

[Faust Wither]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3037427592

ok the seal finaly drop on shattered realm at level 80 normal shard 15. lets see if i can abuse it. ok so you can farm it constaly by going 15-17 it drop from middle chest.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

if you're level 80 just do SR 75-76, can drop like 3-4 component blueprint in a single run sometimes (not always ofc) https://imgur.com/a/jBkB0Mc *
just stone in, clear, cash out, rinse repeat
*v1.2 playtest currently has 1 missing/bugged reward chest

[Faust Wither]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

if you're level 80 just do SR 75-76, can drop like 3-4 component blueprint in a single run sometimes (not always ofc) https://imgur.com/a/jBkB0Mc
just stone in, clear, cash out, rinse repeat

true but that not an option for a classless like me lol.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

it's Normal, they really don't hit hard even on 75, i think the main difference would be speed/clear time not threat
*i've done 75-76 without capped resist Normal, while being nullified and not notice until i cashed out 😅
unless you're on HC so death is a nogo option, i'd atleast give it a try and see if it's not doable in classless format with decent items

[Faust Wither]

yea if you on hc classless you really need abuse all the thing that make the game easy, you can use other character to farm but i never keep my old saves, i'm always start fresh.

[madrigal]

I did a SR Veteran run from shard 50 thru 71 and got 2 rune BP's I didn't have yet. Took 5.5 hours. Now I have 1 SR Rune to go. I previously ran this character up to SR 60 on ultimate for the other rune BP's. I think there are 21 of them total, only drop in SR. No way to know if it would have been faster to run a couple shards on ultimate, but at least it was painless this way.

I also got 2 of the 20 other legendary BP's I didn't have, but that's just bonus luck. I didn't get any in Ultimate SR with this character, the game was too busy giving me runes. I still think it's a waste of time to farm SR just to get a few blueprints. Might as well play new characters and let them drop randomly. I guess if you are dead set on getting a particular item and have no interest in the 100's of other items it makes some kind of sense.

I can't imagine repeating the exercise on every character. That's true dedication.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von madrigal:

I did a SR Veteran run from shard 50 thru 71

Ursprünglich geschrieben von madrigal:

Took 5.5 hours.

@_@
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von madrigal:

I have a couple characters that will do 65

that should mean you have the blueprint for celestial waystone, and could just have done 65-66 on Normal, and saved a bunch of time ??

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von madrigal:

I still think it's a waste of time to farm SR just to get a few blueprints.

i mean, that makes no sense?
it's faster, more blueprints/quicker obtained; and you don't only get blueprints
that's the point, yes you get most blueprints payout, but you also get MIs, epics, legendaries, it's literally your 1-stop-shop for getting everything you might want/need, and do so with minimal time spent, outside target farming MIs ofc

Ursprünglich geschrieben von madrigal:

I can't imagine repeating the exercise on every character. That's true dedication.

why on earth would you do it on every char?
you only need to up run once, then you have stones to unlock checkpoints for all chars, that only need to clear 2 shards for farming
you only need blueprints for any item or glyph once, then you have it for all chars
you only need to farm for items on whichever char you either might prefer/that's your "best" farmer, or whichever char you like or feel should obtain their own legends

SR is undisputed the most efficient farm place for anything that isnt' targetfarmable,
but that's also the key takeaway, you don't need to farm it if you don't need XY items or don't care about efficiency or getting XY legends in 5mins, or if your build doesn't want them like budget builds or 1x runthrough etc

edit, oh yea forgot to mention, you also don't have to farm SR specifically for blueprints
it might be the best/most efficient source atm, but you can get all blueprints outside SR (not counting the waystones ofc)
the glyphs/movements runes aren't exclusive to SR, the only stuff exclusive to SR is the 4 SR armour sets