T3 Constellations

[Tsel13]

Is it really, really necessary to get at least one T3 constellation or are builds viable with several T2 and lower constellations instead?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

anything is viable
for T3 in terms of efficiency it becomes easy; does it give you something that's useful or as/more powerful than the cost in other devos
*for many builds it's not necessarily about dmg, but the tier3 offering great(er) utility that's either useful or necessary for the build
easiest utility example could be yugol or empyrion offering those builds DR they might not find elsewhere, Korvaak offering triple debuff, Mogdrogen offering bunch of buff stats etc
**obviously the proc comes ontop of teh passives in the devo too
so it's just often hard to get that much value elsewhere, but potentially not impossible

[FlamingX21]

i would say, there was a time when i could get 3 tier 3 devotions, attak seru, leviathan and blind sage. And I think that's only possibility of having 3 of them with everything else unoptimized.

All my builds does have at least 1 T3 devo and I personally think it's mandatory like second class. You can 100% live without and grab bunch of small ones but you will be nerfing yourself then imo.

[CRCGamer]

My Savagery build Warder for example runs off of 6 T1s, 4 T2s, and a singular T3. My Primal Strike Druid runs off of 7 T1s, 3 T2s, and a pair of T3s. Most recent pet build Conjurer of mine runs off of 5 T1s, 5 T2s, and a singular T3.

I'd say its really hard to replace the value of having at least one T3 constellation in your build. But at the same time attempting to lay hands on more than two of them becomes incredibly limiting. And there are times where of the two you could get in a given build only one of them is actually useful.

[Matthew]

I don't think it is necessary, but there should be enough points to get 1 of them. The bigger question is what are you trying to get instead of a T3? If it is something like more resist reduction, the trade off is probably worth.

[Safarel]

Does it count that I don't own t3 constellation when sometimes I heavy need points in t3 constellation but don't need prock?

Like many times I pick 3 first points in "foundation" of Obelisk, or 4 first points in Ultos to sweet +100% damage

[Tsel13]

Originally posted by Matthew:

I don't think it is necessary, but there should be enough points to get 1 of them. The bigger question is what are you trying to get instead of a T3? If it is something like more resist reduction, the trade off is probably worth.

Yes, I am grabbing resist reduction and extra HP regeneration.
I am currently messing around with two different Defilers.
Both do Aether Fire.
One I did grab a T3, but other than skills that do resist reduction, this one could not grab any resist reduction constellations. Mainly because of the required planning to grab the T3.
The other, I grabbed both T2 resist reductions and an extra HP regeneration.
So far, the one with No T3, seems to be demolishing everything a bit quicker, than the one With a T3.
They are both using the same weapons and pretty much the same self found gear.

Literally, the one with No T3, the trash mobs poof, explode, disappear.

Originally posted by Safarel:

Does it count that I don't own t3 constellation when sometimes I heavy need points in t3 constellation but don't need prock?

Like many times I pick 3 first points in "foundation" of Obelisk, or 4 first points in Ultos to sweet +100% damage

I like that. 😊

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Tsel13:

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One I did grab a T3, but other than skills that do resist reduction, this one could not grab any resist reduction constellations. Mainly because of the required planning to grab the T3.

that sounds a bit odd - aside from vit RR, because Rattosh is in itself a T3, there should be no T3 devo out of reach while grabbing regular RR devos

[Tsel13]

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Originally posted by Tsel13:

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One I did grab a T3, but other than skills that do resist reduction, this one could not grab any resist reduction constellations. Mainly because of the required planning to grab the T3.

that sounds a bit odd :tiwthink: - aside from vit RR, because Rattosh is in itself a T3, there should be no T3 devo out of reach while grabbing regular RR devos

I have not used all of my shrine points yet.
I should clarify, what I was meaning on T3 out of reach.
I mean, so far, I am not seeing a damage type T3 relevant to my build of Fire / Aether.
Attak Seru, the Mirage is out of reach.
Light of Empyrion maybe, but I have not grabbed my other constellations yet.
Obelisk of Menhir maybe, but it is not Fire / Aether.
Spear of the Heavens maybe, but I have not grabbed my other constellations yet.
The other T3's there is no way.
We'll just have to see when I get a bit further.
Crossing my fingers. 😊

[KG]

The typical endgame thing would be to decide on only one of fire or aether - at which point 55 would be plenty of devotion points.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Tsel13:

I mean, so far, I am not seeing a damage type T3 relevant to my build of Fire / Aether.
Attak Seru, the Mirage is out of reach.

why? - you can reach Seru while grabbing RR when you get all your devos (i'm not saying Seru is a good devo, just that it's definitely possible/doable)
Korvaak is a dmg neutral devo btw, also easy to unlock
you can technically get Torch+Spear (again not saying it's a good choice but it's doable)
*and that's even if assuming not doing the "meta" engame thing of focusing in 1 dmg type, you can def get these/X T3s +RR devos, i promise

[madrigal]

Originally posted by Tsel13:

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

that sounds a bit odd :tiwthink: - aside from vit RR, because Rattosh is in itself a T3, there should be no T3 devo out of reach while grabbing regular RR devos

I have not used all of my shrine points yet.
I should clarify, what I was meaning on T3 out of reach.
I mean, so far, I am not seeing a damage type T3 relevant to my build of Fire / Aether.
Attak Seru, the Mirage is out of reach.
Light of Empyrion maybe, but I have not grabbed my other constellations yet.
Obelisk of Menhir maybe, but it is not Fire / Aether.
Spear of the Heavens maybe, but I have not grabbed my other constellations yet.
The other T3's there is no way.
We'll just have to see when I get a bit further.
Crossing my fingers. 😊

Perhaps a T3 devotion feels "out of reach" because you are still hunting for end game gear, and need some specific devotions temporarily.
With a nice end game set or well-rolled MI's and greens, you'll probably discover you have devotions you don't need anymore.

Certainly Attak Seru is not out of reach. I have an aether/fire character with Attak Seru, Alladrah's Phoenix, Behemoth, Imp, Viper, Arcane Bomb and a bunch of junk for affinities.
If you want more emphasis on fire RR than aether RR, it's easy enough to pick Solael's Witchfire and dump the Bomb. If you are trying to keep both Bomb and Witchfire, that might be a bit difficult.
Even with two damage types, one is going to be stronger than the other so probably you can give something up without much problem.