Devil Touched ammo does not grant item use...

[Centurion(HUN)]

For some strange reason devil touched ammo that were connected to my rifle stopped being the item that can be used by button press and became 15% probability crap... is it after new update or what? Just finished the game(killed the Chton thing) and quit yesterday and thought to continue playing DLC...

[Centurion(HUN)]

Found this ♥♥♥♥ in update:
Devil-Touched Ammo: granted skill is now a proc, values adjusted accordingly

Why....
Is there a way to roll back this update for previous version?

[Blake]

Embrace the change...why do you need to activate it yourself? Let the God's decide for you

[Centurion(HUN)]

Originally posted by Blake:

Embrace the change...why do you need to activate it yourself? Let the God's decide for you

Because I bought finalized product and game is not live service - should we raise legal questions? Though I already did.

[Neit]

I'm actually a bit sad they didn't do the same for other "ammo" components. Those skills are basically useless and having them trigger on attack instead, especially on ranged weapons for which they are designed would be more beneficial in 99% of the cases. I would actually be quite curious how exactly are you using this, that this created an issue for you.

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

Because I bought finalized product and game is not live service - should we raise legal questions? Though I already did.

"Hello, lawyer? I don't know how to disable autoupdates on Steam and they have the audacity that they continue to update and maintain product I have purchased. And they do it for free. How dare they, can we sue them?"

[Blake]

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

Originally posted by Blake:

Embrace the change...why do you need to activate it yourself? Let the God's decide for you

Because I bought finalized product and game is not live service - should we raise legal questions? Though I already did.

We don't own the game but a license to use it. I'm sure buried away in the EULA that noone ever reads, including myself, that there is something that states they can change whatever and whenever they like and we don't own the software so therefore it can be changed adhoc

Applies to most software nowadays so either play it or move on, (Not meant in a nasty manner)

[FreiherrVomStein]

where is my popcorn, dis gonna be gud.

[Blake]

Originally posted by FreiherrVomStein:

where is my popcorn, dis gonna be gud.

Popcorn? Mince pies and a large cup of decaf yorkshire tea for me. Yummy

[Centurion(HUN)]

Originally posted by Neit:

I'm actually a bit sad they didn't do the same for other "ammo" components. Those skills are basically useless and having them trigger on attack instead, especially on ranged weapons for which they are designed would be more beneficial in 99% of the cases.

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

Because I bought finalized product and game is not live service - should we raise legal questions? Though I already did.

"Hello, lawyer? I don't know how to disable autoupdates on Steam and they have the audacity that they continue to update and maintain product I have purchased. And they do it for free. How dare they, can we sue them?"

It is not lawyer - it is consumer protection institution -GVH(HUN) - as practice that change the function of the product and not providing an option to opt out is actually considered as unethical. Note that it is not that they changed it, but that they did not provide option to opt out from this change. It is digital but still a product. Even if there would be no any penalties - this is first step to put red mark on this type of practices and this company.

[Blake]

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

Even if there would be no any penalties - this is first step to put red mark on this type of practices and this company.

That's an opinion then not a legal fact. Red mark what companies you like but you'll find nothing will change. Why should it?

[Centurion(HUN)]

Originally posted by Blake:

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

Even if there would be no any penalties - this is first step to put red mark on this type of practices and this company.

That's an opinion then not a legal fact. Red mark what companies you like but you'll find nothing will change. Why should it?

Well when Project Red did similar things with Witcher III and CyberPunk - they very fast provided old versions to roll back and I used one for Witcher III as at that time I had old PC setup. In their case it was worst as it also increased the technical requirements and there were bunch of raised complaints as I know - and in EU it is illegal to provide no opt out options.
With enough effort and time and push in the right direction opinion can become a rule that someone calls law...
But again, in my case I consider that they took my old toy that I liked and gave me another that I do not like.

[Neit]

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

It is not lawyer - it is consumer protection institution -GVH(HUN) - as practice that change the function of the product and not providing an option to opt out is actually considered as unethical. Note that it is not that they changed it, but that they did not provide option to opt out from this change. It is digital but still a product. Even if there would be no any penalties - this is first step to put red mark on this type of practices and this company.

Okay, now to be fully serious.

You can disable automatic updates on Steam any time, so you can opt out of updates for any game you have. Why don't you do that automatically every time you buy a game when updates changing something are so bad? Lot of games receive updates, even older ones than this one.

Patch was in playtest requesting player feedback for two months, there was pinned message here on forum about that, and you could've complained before it went live and provide arguments why do you think the change is detrimental or does not make sense. I still didn't see any explanation why the change is bad. Compared to some other changes that happened in the patch, this one is quite small and inconsequential and you haven't even see what other patches including 1.2 and after that did. And that's still nothing compared to what some other games did that caused an outrage, Skyrim comes to mind.

Game receiving updates and patches is actually a feature, most people appreciate when bugs are getting fixed, outdated mechanics are being replaced and if you check the front page of the discussions half of the posts here are basically requests from people who want more and more changes.

I wonder why do you even think you have a case, do you also complain when every time Windows (or whatever OS you use, they all do that) releases an update? Do you also complain when your phone updates? How is this any different?

[Centurion(HUN)]

Originally posted by Neit:

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

It is not lawyer - it is consumer protection institution -GVH(HUN) - as practice that change the function of the product and not providing an option to opt out is actually considered as unethical. Note that it is not that they changed it, but that they did not provide option to opt out from this change. It is digital but still a product. Even if there would be no any penalties - this is first step to put red mark on this type of practices and this company.

Okay, now to be fully serious.

You can disable automatic updates on Steam any time, so you can opt out of updates for any game you have. Why don't you do that automatically every time you buy a game when updates changing something are so bad? Lot of games receive updates, even older ones than this one.

Patch was in playtest requesting player feedback for two months, there was pinned message here on forum about that, and you could've complained before it went live and provide arguments why do you think the change is detrimental or does not make sense. I still didn't see any explanation why the change is bad. Compared to some other changes that happened in the patch, this one is quite small and inconsequential and you haven't even see what other patches including 1.2 and after that did. And that's still nothing compared to what some other games did that caused an outrage, Skyrim comes to mind.

Game receiving updates and patches is actually a feature, most people appreciate when bugs are getting fixed, outdated mechanics are being replaced and if you check the front page of the discussions half of the posts here are basically requests from people who want more and more changes.

I wonder why do you even think you have a case, do you also complain when every time Windows (or whatever OS you use, they all do that) releases an update? Do you also complain when your phone updates? How is this any different?

You can not disable the automatic update for this game, there is no such option.

Originally posted by Neit:

Originally posted by Centurion(HUN):

It is not lawyer - it is consumer protection institution -GVH(HUN) - as practice that change the function of the product and not providing an option to opt out is actually considered as unethical. Note that it is not that they changed it, but that they did not provide option to opt out from this change. It is digital but still a product. Even if there would be no any penalties - this is first step to put red mark on this type of practices and this company.

Okay, now to be fully serious.

You can disable automatic updates on Steam any time, so you can opt out of updates for any game you have. Why don't you do that automatically every time you buy a game when updates changing something are so bad? Lot of games receive updates, even older ones than this one.

Patch was in playtest requesting player feedback for two months, there was pinned message here on forum about that, and you could've complained before it went live and provide arguments why do you think the change is detrimental or does not make sense. I still didn't see any explanation why the change is bad. Compared to some other changes that happened in the patch, this one is quite small and inconsequential and you haven't even see what other patches including 1.2 and after that did. And that's still nothing compared to what some other games did that caused an outrage, Skyrim comes to mind.

Game receiving updates and patches is actually a feature, most people appreciate when bugs are getting fixed, outdated mechanics are being replaced and if you check the front page of the discussions half of the posts here are basically requests from people who want more and more changes.

I wonder why do you even think you have a case, do you also complain when every time Windows (or whatever OS you use, they all do that) releases an update? Do you also complain when your phone updates? How is this any different?

There is no possibility to turn off the update in Steam for this game. Look like you never even checked the option in properties. Skyrim is big ♥♥♥♥♥♥ but I have it on GOG without any stupid updates and I'm not buying any new game from Bethesda anymore. Windows update has opt out and roll back possibility. Change in the way how the product works should not be introduced in the main branch but have its own brunch or release e.g. product like Grim Dawn 2. For me this little change was consequential and to be honest last drop in the series of similar ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ developers are doing nowadays.

[Volfogg]

So all this because of... single lvl 15-16 augment? Character builds shift all the time between versions. Frankly I've found last change to nemesis bosses more noticeable. Them being set in appearance rather than random.

[tschhh]

I like the change to the weapons augments, means say if your dual wielding pistols and have 2 olerons blood on them you dont have to have 2 buttons to hit, its now a 15% proc, which to me is an improvement but if you want you can go grim dawn/properties/betas and roll back to 1.19.8, whatever right

[Centurion(HUN)]

Originally posted by Volfogg:

So all this because of... single lvl 15-16 augment? Character builds shift all the time between versions. Frankly I've found last change to nemesis bosses more noticeable. Them being set in appearance rather than random.

Does it mean that the game is not finished? Does it mean it is live service game or early access game? This should be mentioned on the store page with announcement that game will be changed, not just bugs fixed. Anyway I bought this game long time ago and it was on the shelf till I got time to tackle it. I had good time with it till this last update... Before I was able to precisely build up the encounter and put enemies for the Devil touched ability and trigger it when I wanted to... Now I can not and it is not what upsets me. What upsets me is that they showed this effing change into my throat without asking.