WPS and Celestial Powers proc mechanics

[Azzkiy]

I'm tying to figure out what happens in the exact moment WPS/Celestial Power activation happens. What does that hit looks like?

I've read lots of conflicting information about the subject on the internet and i am very confused.

Let's assume we are playing as shaman and using following skills/WPS/Celestial Powers:
- Savagery (Sav) as trigger skill
- Feral Hunger (FH)
- Hand of Ultos (HoU)

1. HoU is unbound. Sav triggers FH. The result will be:
a. Sav + FH
b. FH

Does WPS replaces skill that triggered it?

2. HoU is bound to Sav. W/o FH. Sav triggers HoU. The result will be:
a. Sav + HoU
b. HoU

Does Celestial Power replaces skill that triggered it?

3. HoU is bound to Sav. With FH. Sav triggers HoU and FH. The result will be:
a. Sav + HoU + FH
b. HoU + FH
c. HoU/FH

4. HoU is bound to FH. Sav triggers FH which triggers HoU. The result will be:
a. Sav + FH + HoU
b. Sav + FH/HoU
c. FH + HoU
d. FH/HoU

Will any of the above work differently if i replace Savagery with Primal Strike (with the obvious exeption of Feral Hunger not triggering at all)?

Also, quick question about soldier's Cadence skill. Which hits can trigger WPS/Celestial Powers: first 2, only 3rd one, any of 3?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

Does WPS replaces skill that triggered it?

no

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

Does Celestial Power replaces skill that triggered it?

no

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

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Will any of the above work differently if i replace Savagery with Primal Strike, with the exeption of Feral Hunger not triggering at all.

no, trigger condition is still just trigger condition swapping sav to another skill doesnt' change any interaction like that

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

Also, quick question about soldier's Cadence skill. Which hits can trigger WPS/Celestial Powers: first 2, only 3rd one, any of 3?

first 2 hits can trigger wps, 3rd can't
all 3 hits can trigger celestial power if bound to cadence
neither wps nor celestial powers work that way/replace anything
first, any and all celestial powers are a "secondary" effect and happens entirely outside of your skills and is entirely unrelated to said skills in terms of scaling or replacement.
Just like when you have a chest piece with 20% chance when hit activation that proc does not replace anything nor is otherwise affected by your attacks, it's its own skill/proc.
Celestial powers is just like that, their own, the trigger condition is just that merely a trigger, anything else is unrelated.

Now, Wps also does not really "replace" the attack, it modifiers it, so what happens is your attack is still savagery but *also* wps "at teh same time"
if you have a Celestial skill bound to Sav, *any* sav hit will have chance to trigger the power, and the power will act independently of the skill triggered it.
If you have Sav+Wps, and power attached to sav, you can still get sav+wps+celestial power to happen at the same time
WPS is AA*WPS "both happens", the WPS enhances the AA acting like a multiplier

this means if you have 2 celestial powers, 1 bound to Sav, 1 bound to wps, and you have "perfect" hit, making a sav hit that triggers the devo, and the sav hits triggers that specific wps, and that wps triggers the devo: you can get 2 devo triggers/celestial powers in 1 hit
*again keep in mind if your wps is 25% chance and devo condition is 20% chance that's just 5% chance for that 1 power to trigger,

[Azzkiy]

Thanks!

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

If you have Sav+Wps, and power attached to sav, you can still get sav+wps+celestial power to happen at the same time

I completely forgot about this case. Added it to OP-post.

Originally posted by gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

WPS is AA*WPS "both happens", the WPS enhances the AA acting like a multiplier

So in case of Sav + FH, if FH deals "130% main hand dmg" Sav acts as a base and resulting dmg will be: Sav dmg * 1.3? And what serves as a base for Celestial Powers?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

Thanks!
So in case of Sav + FH, if FH deals "130% main hand dmg" Sav acts as a base and resulting dmg will be: Sav dmg * 1.3?

yes + the aoe effect/multi target hit ofc

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

And what serves as a base for Celestial Powers?

again, there is no "base", only a trigger, so if you have sav+wps, you can get 0 power triggered, depending on the proc %, or you can get 1 triggered, or both triggered
the RNG is low, but you can get 2 powers triggered on a single hit if you have a power bound both to sav and wps
since *every* hit is a sav hit tho, the sav trigger condition will be higher, since like i said, if you have 25% wps/feral hunger at 25%+devo trigger at 20% it becomes effectively 5% to trigger that devo
meanwhile if you have a 20% trigger on sav; that's actually 20% because every (AA) hit is Sav

[Azzkiy]

Thanks again! But you seem to misunderstood my second question (probably because i poorly formulated it; english is not my native language).

Originally posted by Azzkiy:

And what serves as a base for Celestial Powers?

For example, HoU's description states that it deals "20% main hand damage". But what is this "main hand damage"? Is it damage of currently held weapon or is it damage that was dealt by skill that triggered HoU? I'm assuming that it is the former (description sounds pretty obvious), but i remember that i've seen conflicting information about this.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

go into your char page, on page 2, up top 3rd row? there should be a weapon dmg entry
this is you "base" weapon dmg, unmodified by attack skills,
that would "approximately" be the dmg the proc uses for WD portion (not entirely accurate since depends if you dualwield etc and it only shows for 1h if so/finer details)
basically it's your base weapon dmg +global flats modified by regular global bonuses/"non attack skill modifiers" (ie not sav not wps not primal strike not bone harvest) and is then scaled by the %amount of WD on the proc

*key thing to remember maybe to make it easier to distinguish is these are entirely separate skills/attacks, so celestial power has 0 dmg scaling based on the trigger it's attached to
remember, you could attach Ultos to Vines or Swarm; they have no weapon dmg in their own skill, but HoU would still apply weapon dmg; where is it from the base char dmg ofc