Choosing a Retaliation Build

[Cemetery Man]

I'm back to this game after a few years and I want to try a tank retaliation build. The main choice seem to be Warlord, Warder or Sentinel. What are the main difference between? Which one is tankier, which one is easier to build around, which one achieve the highest damage... Can anyone give me some insight on those build?

[KG]

Tankiness: by the endgame they can all be so stupidly tough you hardly have to think about your health outside of special circumstances. Warlord might get to that point with the most ease.

Easiest to build: Warlord or Sentinel, I'm not sure. Both interact well with current retaliation gear/skills/devotion types/etc. Warder might be a little tougher.

Highest damage: Sentinel has a skill that can turbocharge monsters' attack/move speed and hit chance, resulting in significantly more hits taken = more damage. And if you get in a situation where you aren't tanky enough to handle that - you just don't do it - play like a normal retaliation build. The skill point investment is trivial. It also helps alleviate some of the potential tedium of a retaliation build.

[One]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KG:

Tankiness: by the endgame they can all be so stupidly tough you hardly have to think about your health outside of special circumstances. Warlord might get to that point with the most ease.

Easiest to build: Warlord or Sentinel, I'm not sure. Both interact well with current retaliation gear/skills/devotion types/etc. Warder might be a little tougher.

Highest damage: Sentinel has a skill that can turbocharge monsters' attack/move speed and hit chance, resulting in significantly more hits taken = more damage. And if you get in a situation where you aren't tanky enough to handle that - you just don't do it - play like a normal retaliation build. The skill point investment is trivial. It also helps alleviate some of the potential tedium of a retaliation build.

What skill in sentinel increases attack and move speed? sounds pretty interesting

[Bludbonez]

Best Retaliation build I have seen ever for Grim Dawn is a Commando(Soldier/Demolitionist). Other builds are not even on the same level,

[Cemetery Man]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bludbonez:

Best Retaliation build I have seen ever for Grim Dawn is a Commando(Soldier/Demolitionist). Other builds are not even on the same level,

What make it stronger than the rest?

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bludbonez:

Best Retaliation build I have seen ever for Grim Dawn is a Commando(Soldier/Demolitionist). Other builds are not even on the same level,

i'd be curious what build that is/which commando you've seen

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cemetery Man:

What make it stronger than the rest?

indeed, interesting suggestion

[Bludbonez]

Well this is the build I follow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbO7IcTfDxA&t=460s
My friend Michael(Mike) is playing the same build. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3RwIhb6QeE&list=PL0fbaZFGsXnZEQp3DPVK8p_zMMMrMMief

The build is very very solid!
Also gNuff, I consider Arcade a Grim Dawn GOAT. His newest vid drop is completely eye opening! Have not seen another build like it. Why I consider him a GOAT.

[Cemetery Man]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bludbonez:

Well this is the build I follow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbO7IcTfDxA&t=460s
My friend Michael(Mike) is playing the same build. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3RwIhb6QeE&list=PL0fbaZFGsXnZEQp3DPVK8p_zMMMrMMief

The build is very very solid!

I started the video, but I had to stop when he said that resistances are not important...

[Bludbonez]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cemetery Man:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bludbonez:

Well this is the build I follow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbO7IcTfDxA&t=460s
My friend Michael(Mike) is playing the same build. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3RwIhb6QeE&list=PL0fbaZFGsXnZEQp3DPVK8p_zMMMrMMief

The build is very very solid!

I started the video, but I had to stop when he said that resistances are not important...

They are not important if the things you need resistances for are dead
I do not run a retal Commando. I do have a level 100 retal Deathknight. That Commando build is very strong. Even to my resist shredding DK .

[DirtyMick]

I had a warder that did 1.8 million damage at one time with retaliation, screenshot in my profile lol. But I'd say warlord is the most solid phys retal. Warder for lightning retal.

[DirtyMick]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von One:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von KG:

Tankiness: by the endgame they can all be so stupidly tough you hardly have to think about your health outside of special circumstances. Warlord might get to that point with the most ease.

Easiest to build: Warlord or Sentinel, I'm not sure. Both interact well with current retaliation gear/skills/devotion types/etc. Warder might be a little tougher.

Highest damage: Sentinel has a skill that can turbocharge monsters' attack/move speed and hit chance, resulting in significantly more hits taken = more damage. And if you get in a situation where you aren't tanky enough to handle that - you just don't do it - play like a normal retaliation build. The skill point investment is trivial. It also helps alleviate some of the potential tedium of a retaliation build.

What skill in sentinel increases attack and move speed? sounds pretty interesting

Bloody pox from occultist mastery. That's an interesting idea, I've never thought about it before. Hmmm kinda wanna make one now lol.

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DirtyMick:

I had a warder that did 1.8 million damage at one time with retaliation

did that happen to be in a MP game ? because that sounds/seems pretty bugged for Dawnbreaker/1h warder @_@

[DirtyMick]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DirtyMick:

I had a warder that did 1.8 million damage at one time with retaliation

did that happen to be in a MP game ? :tiwthink: because otherwise that sounds/seems pretty bugged for Dawnbreaker/1h warder

♥♥♥♥♥♥ idk. I feel like it was probably single player cuz I don't like playing retaliation builds in MP. It probably also combined with some other attacks that happened nearly at the same time. I feel like that highest damage dealt stat has a small window to add everything together, not just 1 single attack instance. Like there was a 1 million damage retal hit, a 400k damage shield bash crit and a couple 100k devo procs, all nearly at the same time, but idk. (I know that doesnt add up to 1.8m, just trying to give an example of what i mean. Like it wasnt a big 1.8m damage number, it was a bunch of damage numbers at nearly the same time added up to 1.8m) It was quite a while ago so I don't remember. Could simply be a bug I guess, even though that pains me to concede to lol.

Then again, the screenshot itself shows my friend is in the game with me. So I must have played her a little with someone else. It probably was MP. Damn... I never realized that before. I was getting extra buffs from my friend probably... my priiiide....

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

afaik the sheet does count individual hits, tho tis known the game can in other instances stack dmg applications that shouldn't really (certain enemy attacks on player as ex), but i was also under the impression it didn't count retal either (doesn't even count combined DoT stacks for omega bleed/trauma builds 😒)
anyway, wasn't meaning to imply it's impossible to reach such high number, just on the (very) high end for 1h "usually" so kinda up there on a lightning warder, - i've seen some crazy high hits from others but usually in MP or super high SR

[DirtyMick]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von gNuff!~©~gNom3™:

afaik the sheet does count individual hits, tho tis known the game can in other instances stack dmg applications that shouldn't really (certain enemy attacks on player as ex), but i was also under the impression it didn't count retal either (doesn't even count combined DoT stacks for omega bleed/trauma builds 😒)
anyway, wasn't meaning to imply it's impossible to reach such high number, just on the (very) high end for 1h "usually" so kinda up there on a lightning warder, - i've seen some crazy high hits from others but usually in MP or super high SR

That's crazy if it doesn't even count retaliation damage. That's not cool :/

[gNuff!~©~gNom3™]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DirtyMick:

That's crazy if it doesn't even count retaliation damage. That's not cool :/

i just did a test run earlier bringing a naked toon with only flat retal, and dmg def appeared in page 3, so it's def counting direct retal for that